Expectations are ruining this game

[SturmChurro]

If you want to go into a raid blind you should use party finder so that people know you are new and there may be a few wipes. As others have said alts are very common and if you don't say you are new most of us will assume you know what you are doing.

Never seen anyone get mad at not knowing a dungeon though.

If you are doing story trials, unnecessary. If we are talking about extremes via party finder, you should probably speak up. Rather join a practice group, I went into my first ex's blind, but they were practice groups and I did tell them I was going in blind beforehand. Regular content like dungeons nah, don't worry about it.

This is a strange complaint to hear, to me. I would love to hear any actual examples of this, and how often you've encountered it, because I think I've only ever seen people get visibly frustrated after someone wipes to something multiple times. Dungeons, in particular, are usually quite simple, so I can't even imagine what you or your fiance are screwing up.

I don't think that really ends up being a problem of the player going in blind. I could excuse a couple failures to the same mechanic, but several times is a bit much.

Luckily in dungeons I have found that at a certain point, and on certain bosses the healer could be dead the entire fight and it doesn't matter. I did the level 79 dungeon yesterday where both the dps and tank died to the tile boss, and the tank revived outside for some reason and our healer never raised anyone for some reason as well. So he was just solo healing me the entire time, I really didn't understand why this healer wouldn't raise anyone. On the last boss the other DPS died and he didn't raise him at all either. It was a bit odd.

[Lascivus]

This is a strange complaint to hear, to me. I would love to hear any actual examples of this, and how often you've encountered it, because I think I've only ever seen people get visibly frustrated after someone wipes to something multiple times. Dungeons, in particular, are usually quite simple, so I can't even imagine what you or your fiance are screwing up.

We're not screwing up anything. Because they feel forced to look shit up beforehand to make sure we don't do anything wrong. Because there are so many people on here that complain when someone doesn't know something. Yes, we could say we're new. Yes, we can report people who get pissy in game. But they literally put off progressing until they have time to research because they don't want to deal with people getting pissy.

[Raldo]

so many people on here that complain when someone doesn't know something

Are you referring to people on the forums? They're probably just venting. I'll certainly talk shit about someone on a forum or to my friends, but unless they're REALLY bad, I'd never say it to their face.

If you're not actually getting any vitriol about this in-game, then don't look stuff up. I certainly don't (except for EX duties), and I can't say I've had any problems. Everybody's new at some point.

Go in blind. Most mechanics are re-used enough that it's obvious what to do based on the icons used, or aren't punishing enough that no one will die if you screw it up once while you learn.

[Lascivus]

Are you referring to people on the forums? They're probably just venting. I'll certainly talk shit about someone on a forum or to my friends, but unless they're REALLY bad, I'd never say it to their face.

If you're not actually getting any vitriol about this in-game, then don't look stuff up. I certainly don't (except for EX duties), and I can't say I've had any problems. Everybody's new at some point.

Go in blind. Most mechanics are re-used enough that it's obvious what to do based on the icons used, or aren't punishing enough that no one will die if you screw it up once while you learn.

That's what I say. But they honestly feel like if they don't know what to do as a tank, that they shouldn't do it. And it's taking a lot of the fun out of it.

[ElroyDrundan]

That's what I say. But they honestly feel like if they don't know what to do as a tank, that they shouldn't do it. And it's taking a lot of the fun out of it.

Couple of thoughts, right now at 80 I love seeing the new to an instance message as that means more tomes as I'm gearing up other jobs. I'm sure most others feel the same way.

Some of what you say though in someways seems as selfish as the people you are complaining about.

You: " I want to run the dungeon blind, I don't want pointers, etc." This means the others get to deal with wipes, rezzes etc. It seems you are saying your desires are more important than the others desire to have a smooth run. I'm not saying you are wrong to want this, but it seems others are equally justified in not wanting to deal with that type of a run.

That said: I and my friends never have an issue with new players, in fact we will ask before bosses if they want basic strats, if they said we want to go in blind I'd be okay with that as well. But you have to understand depending on your jobs, you going in blind could mean a wipe(s), which means adding another 5 mins for each one to the time of the dungeon. Luckily in dungeons there are very few miss a mechanic and party wipes type scenarios. It usually just means more rezzing, more healing. Though the tank or healer dying can often lead to a wipe...

I've never run into anyone being hostile or mad about this type of thing in any DF I've been in. In fact folks are often nice to new tanks, as in previous expansions tanks were always in need so getting new tanks into the mix was a good thing.

PF as others have said sounds perfect for you, you can post blind run, no experience etc. Fill the group with exactly the type of folks you are wanting to adventure with. Joining a FC is also something you might want to try, we will do full FC groups for those that are new, need to clear content etc.

[MomomiMomi]

That's what I say. But they honestly feel like if they don't know what to do as a tank, that they shouldn't do it. And it's taking a lot of the fun out of it.

Sorry to hear that you and your fiance are going though this, but "they feel like" is a problem that they themselves have created. No, I'm not blaming them. They probably have anxiety, which if they do, I understand as a person who has had to deal with anxiety for years. But this is simply a problem that they themselves must overcome. Don't put the blame onto the community for a perceived expectation on your part that isn't an actual expectation of the community.

[Kanitezz]

I agree with you. It seems it's unacceptable for anyone to be new to something in this game.

Edit: Something like a EX trial or savage raid, I DO think if you're joining something like a PF group for that, you should watch a vid or something.

[LittleChickenNugget]

I'm late to the party but I'll be that person. It's just as unfair for two people in a raid to constantly mess up mechanics and wipe the entire group over and over. You two, and other newbies, are not the only ones in the game and unfortunately that falls under "difference in play style", which you can get kicked from groups for. It's fine if you want to run in blind, but it's also perfectly fine for people to not want to deal with it.

[SturmChurro]

I'm late to the party but I'll be that person. It's just as unfair for two people in a raid to constantly mess up mechanics and wipe the entire group over and over. You two, and other newbies, are not the only ones in the game and unfortunately that falls under "difference in play style", which you can get kicked from groups for. It's fine if you want to run in blind, but it's also perfectly fine for people to not want to deal with it.

Agreed, if they want to kick me for going in blind. Do it, I'll find another group. Blind is more fun, in my opinion.

If they are failing to the same mechanic over and over, I still do not consider this an issue of going in blind, it's them just not grasping the concept. A guide wouldn't help at all if they have seen the mechanic several times and still fail it every time. I might have gone into my ex's blind, but I picked up the mechanics quick, and aside from sometimes a few mistakes (which I blame myself; player error) I can clear them fine.

[Alucard135]

If the content is something you queue into using duty finder (dungeons, PVP, normal raids, normal trials ect), then I wouldn't expect people to have read a guide or know the content. It's always safe to assume that you have people who are new and doing it blindly.

If it's something you join a party finder for (Savage raids and EX trials), then you should read the PF description and see if it's a blind, prog, clear, farm etc.

That's how it is in NA/EU (If I remember correctly, JP does things differently)