DANCER lowest dps in game? why

[Kogekigami]

I'm not feeling low on dps as dancer. It feels about right as well as the buffing. i tend to partner my bf's monk and i just end up swimming in Esprit. Heck a few runs i'm second or third dps with the monk in first though this is pug parties so take that with salt.

Either way the dancer isn't under performing depending on who you partner with. It does feel like partnering with either Monk, ninja or bard are your best bets if you want high esprit generation for saber dance. With esprit being generated on spellskills and weaponskills high skill/spell speed partners are your best bet if you want to prioritize saberdance. That said there is no problem if you rather pad the blackmage or samurai I just prefer generating that Esprit myself.

[dapperfaffer]

Either way the dancer isn't under performing depending on who you partner with.

I find mnk, drg, and nin to be the best to partner with for E-spirit. Sometimes mch as well.

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

It does feel like partnering with either Monk, ninja or bard are your best bets if you want high esprit generation for saber dance. With esprit being generated on spellskills and weaponskills high skill/spell speed partners are your best bet if you want to prioritize saberdance. That said there is no problem if you rather pad the blackmage or samurai I just prefer generating that Esprit myself.

It's been shown that the speed of your dance partner makes a very small difference when it comes to personal damage output for the dancer. Yet the difference the dancer makes for the person they are partnered with is VERY noticeable. So if you want to make the most out of your damage buffs, it will always be best to partner with the person in your group putting out the most damage.

[Kogekigami]

snip.

Not really i have tested this. On titania ex when partnered with monk i produced roughly 7 saber dances before she cast midsummers night dream. With the samurai it was roughly 3 that a 600 potency each saber dancer. It is a big difference and will effect over all dps more if the person partnering the dancer can give them more Esprit gain.

Also partnering the monk.... im gonna pass this to my partner as he can explain it better.

As monk you are literally the only crit reliant class in the game. Getting those 20% off devilment from dancer gives you a bigger boost then any other class. Monk also beeing the clasd with lowest gcd makes it a good pick for dancer too. Sure those 5% are good for any class, but overall dps differences are about 1k in total, between all dps classes, so we are talking 50-100 difference here.

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

Not really i have tested this. On titania ex when partnered with monk i produced roughly 7 saber dances before she cast midsummers night dream. With the samurai it was roughly 3 that a 600 potency each saber dancer. It is a big difference and will effect over all dps more if the person partnering the dancer can give them more Esprit gain.

Also partnering the monk.... im gonna pass this to my partner as he can explain it better.

As monk you are literally the only crit reliant class in the game. Getting those 20% off devilment from dancer gives you a bigger boost then any other class. Monk also beeing the clasd with lowest gcd makes it a good pick for dancer too. Sure those 5% are good for any class, but overall dps differences are about 1k in total, between all dps classes, so we are talking 50-100 difference here.

Saying "I tested this" versus people running simulators to actually math out the gains isn't really proving a point. Also, you're saying monk is attacking more than twice the speed of samurai with those numbers, and monks are spending 20 out of every 90s with just +5% atk speed, and the other 70s at +20% atk speed. While samurai sits at a constant +13%. So not 2 1/3 times the amount of attacks unless one person just isn't hitting buttons. Which means that person isn't doing the most damage in your party. So they definitely should not be your dance partner.

Monk is one of the best dance partners, but it is still dependent on how much damage that person is doing. If you have people on different classes far outperforming the monk in your party, yielding an extra forbidden chakra isn't going to make up the difference. I will agree with you in that if all things are equal, monk is probably your best choice (because of the crit synergy and high personal damage). But don't just be automatically partnering every monk you are partied with if you are trying to be optimal with the dancer buffs.

[May-Be-Zig]

DNC is really weak here, not just of it low DPS but the cool-down duration of it buffing skills take too much time making it really unwanted.

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

I don't know what planet you are all living on, but dancer is DEFINITELY a wanted class.

Dancer also loses a considerable amount of damage not being in party. And those numbers you are referencing are without that extra damage given from having a dance partner. So damage is already going to be "low" because of that. Then if you look at how much dps utility dancer provides, they end up being one of the stronger classes in the game. So you are missing a lot of important information when making your case here. It's not just about solo dps on a dummy. It's about how a job performs in 8 man content and what they provide to the party.

This is why personal damage on dancer is the lowest out of the dps.

[gumas]

why is dancer so undertuned, because it can buff others?.. black mage with 12,500 dps and dancer with 8700 dps?? really?... dont get me wrong i love playing dancer, but alot of groups dont ask for a dancer for its underwhelming dps... they dont seem to care about the buffs... why do i always end up with under tuned jobs..

A job balance is required please

i only play DNC for a while but i can see the proc depended is probably one of the cause, aside from the dance, their hardest hitting skill is gated by proc and later espirit. and despite the 1000 potency dance, remember that before it happen for 3-4 seconds you do nothing while in that time any other class could spend 2 skill + weaving which more or less will have combine potency close to 1000 too.

everything about this class is just proc depended and the dev need to balance it somehow, either up the potency or up the proc chance like 70% or so while keep the 2nd proc at 50% even that is probably not enough i think

[Xephna]

Actually Red Mage is easier then Dancer but both jobs (Dancer and Red) are at the bottom of their categories.
Ease of play should not be a sole decision to have jobs do less damage. Generaly speaking most players do not want easier to play jobs, SE decided that on their own.
All 3 contribute in some way to parties (DNC, Bard and Mach) so no reason not to tune the dmg of DNC

And how would you know "most players do not want easier to play jobs"? Do you have stats to back that claim up?

[Maero]

Stats are not needed. Look at all the complaints every time SE make jobs easier
Jobs could be deemed boring the more and more simpler they make them.

Only reason is they have tried to gauge what would attract new players to mmos, and thus making jobs easier