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  1. #1
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    Evilpaul's Avatar
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    Evilpaul Cerberus
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80

    Incorrect binary to decimal conversion of success probability.

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    Date & Time: Today, but also yesterday, the day before yesterday
    Frequency: 435AEF3% of the time
    World name: Cactuar
    Character name: Evilpaul Cerberus
    Retainer name: Luaplive (It's "evilpaul" spelled backwards.)
    Class/Level: All the crafters/gatherers I've done manu
    Party or solo: Solo. There should be group-attacking rocks and trees though. That sounds super amazing.
    In-game time: A bunch.
    Area and coordinates: I like "New York" area in the new expac for crafting, but it happens in all of them. Or all the ones I've tried. There's lots of areas in the game.
    Housing: It's broken in Apartments, Private and FC Housing on crafters. There's no gathering in housing yet.

    Steps:
    1. Perform a crafting/gathering action with a 90%+ success rate.
    2. Action fails.
    3. Perform an action with a 90%+ success rate.
    4. Action fails.
    5. Perform an action with a 90%+ success rate.
    6. Action fails.
    7. Try again on a new synth/gathering attempt, and it repeats.
    8. Odds of 90% failing 3x in a row? 0.1 * 0.1 * 0.1 = 0.01%.
    So, you should win the Cacpot about as often as you see this happen if the binary to decimal probability conversion is working correctly.
    9. The game internally uses x/1024 (I believe) for probability, which doesn't directly translate to decimal, so I believe there's an error in the function that's converting to decimal.
    10. Should only take about ten minutes to reproduce the 3x failure with 90% success rate on a crafter/gatherer action, because it happens to me numerous times per hour.
    *Add more steps if necessary - I did, thanks!

    Connection Specs
    - Type of internet connection/provider: Verizon FiOS, it's terrible, I don't recommend.
    - Modem maker/model number: "Sufboard" modem. It's the standard one Verizon gives you.

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    It happens on PC and PS4, not really system specific. Friends have the same happen on their systems.
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  2. #2
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    Rongway's Avatar
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    Cyrillo Rongway
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    You have an arithmetic error in 8.

    That aside, 0.1% is still not 0%. That you find yourself unfortunately in that 0.1% space seemingly often isn't a bug. RNG is RNG.
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  3. #3
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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 83
    While RNG is RNG, and while everything points to the percentages being correct when tested against a large number of checks, there does seem to be something odd with the RNG used.

    "Streaks" with multiple failures or successes in a row seem to be more common than they should be. While some streaks of bad luck or good luck are inevitable with any good RNG, they do seem to be longer and more common than should be expected from a perfect RNG. Since streaks of bad luck seem just as common as those of good luck it all appears to average out in the end, so it is not clear if this is to be considered a bug or not.

    Someone better at statistics than me would be needed to verify if the impression of streaks of good/bad luck happening to often is correct or not.
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  4. #4
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    Tinibou's Avatar
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    Tiniel Cerulis
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 80
    It happened to me too several times while leveling my gatherer. You have like 90% or even 95% of chances to gather an item but no, you fail like 3 or 4 times in a row... WTF ?

    It's exactly the same problem I noticed many many times while crafting.
    OK RNG is a thing but when you fail a skill like seven or eight times in a row... It's not RNG, it's an issue ! 0.0000001% ? LOL
    Considering the lag and time needed to execute a skill, I always thought there were real problems with crafting...

    And I'm happy someone is FINALLY talking about it. Players are too much like "It's RNG, it's OK, the game is as it is" no, just no.
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    Last edited by Tinibou; 07-10-2019 at 05:49 PM.