Thread: 5.0 AST is a failure

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Yes, but they also removed the potency buff from the sects (healing potency +10% for Diurnal, and +15% for Nocturnal), and it doesn't exactly even out, either.

None of the heals do.

They generally nerfed healing power across the board so we'd have to heal more.

Originally Posted by Deceptus

None of the heals do.

They generally nerfed healing power across the board so we'd have to heal more.

Funnily enough, on scholar, I'm still healing as much as I ever have.

Originally Posted by Billythepancake

Funnily enough, on scholar, I'm still healing as much as I ever have.

Despite having 8 or 9 weapon damage more, you're only doing roughly 9% more healing.

Originally Posted by Deceptus

Despite having 8 or 9 weapon damage more, you're only doing roughly 9% more healing.

Then encounters have to be doing less damage or something, because I still find myself spamming broil 90% of the time, unless I have the occasional paper tank.

Originally Posted by famfritparappa

Actually, they buffed the potencies on all of the healing gcds from stormblood to shadowbringers.
Helios 300 -> 330
Benefic II 650 -> 700
Aspected Benefic 140x6 -> 200x5
Aspected Benefic Shield 350 -> 500
Aspected Helios Regen 40x10 -> 100x5
Aspected Helios Shield 225 -> 250

Yes, but the new baseline potencies don't equate to their SB equivalents with potency buff in every case. In one case the new skill is better. In other cases, not so much.

Helios 300 x 1.1 or 1.15 = 330/345 Diurnal/Nocturnal equates to 0/15 potency loss.
Benefic II 650 x 1.1 or 1.15 = 715/747.5 D/N equates to 15/47.5 potency loss.
Asp. Ben. Heal+Regen 1,040 x 1.1 = 1,144 equates to 56 potency GAIN.
Asp. Ben. Heal+Shield 650 x 1.15 = 747.5 equates to 97.5 potency loss.
Asp. Helios Heal+Regen 600 x 1.1 = 660 equates to 60 potency loss.
Asp. Helios Heal+Shield 375 x 1.15 = 431.25 equates to 81.25 potency loss.

This is all assuming my math is correct. I took the potencies from pre-5.0, multipled their full tic's out, and added their up front heal in the case of the Aspected spells. The 1.1/1.15 multiplier is the old Sect buff. However, I don't remember if the sect buff applied to the Regen/Shield. Honestly never gave it much thought.

That being said, if my math is correct we're seeing potency losses in every skill except Diurnal Aspected Benefic.

Edit: Not to mention, a Nocturnal Asp. Bene costs 1k MP per pop. At 10k MP caps, thats insane.

Originally Posted by Edaniel

Yes, but the new baseline potencies don't equate to their SB equivalents with potency buff in every case. In one case the new skill is better. In other cases, not so much.

Helios 300 x 1.1 or 1.15 = 330/345 Diurnal/Nocturnal equates to 0/15 potency loss.
Benefic II 650 x 1.1 or 1.15 = 715/747.5 D/N equates to 15/47.5 potency loss.
Asp. Ben. Heal+Regen 1,040 x 1.1 = 1,144 equates to 56 potency GAIN.
Asp. Ben. Heal+Shield 650 x 1.15 = 747.5 equates to 97.5 potency loss.
Asp. Helios Heal+Regen 600 x 1.1 = 660 equates to 60 potency loss.
Asp. Helios Heal+Shield 375 x 1.15 = 431.25 equates to 81.25 potency loss.

This is all assuming my math is correct. I took the potencies from pre-5.0, multipled their full tic's out, and added their up front heal in the case of the Aspected spells. The 1.1/1.15 multiplier is the old Sect buff. However, I don't remember if the sect buff applied to the Regen/Shield. Honestly never gave it much thought.

That being said, if my math is correct we're seeing potency losses in every skill except Diurnal Aspected Benefic.

Edit: Not to mention, a Nocturnal Asp. Bene costs 1k MP per pop. At 10k MP caps, thats insane.

To add Largesse was a thing as well long before max level unlike in ShB where we gotta wait until lv 80 for a better version, you also have Collective Unconsiousness being weaker, and we lost our extension skills so the regens in SB could tick for longer increasing their potency but i understand why these were omitted as they cannot be up or used 100% of the time.