Thread: 5.0 AST is a failure

Originally Posted by MeHeal

...So of all the potencies and effect duration adjustments they could have made, you guys are fine with 100MP off of gravity?
I'm sorry I'm new here, I didn't realize people were so comfortable with this pace.

"Shadowbringers hasn't even come out yet! At least wait for the patch notes!"
"It's just the patch notes! You need to actually try it first!"
"It's only been one day! Get to level 80 before you judge!"
"Of course you can't expect fixes in 2 weeks, wait for patch 5.05!"
"Now that 5.05 they need to compile raid data first! Give them at least another month!"

I guess that's one way to keep subscriptions up.
I thought I was kidding about the one year thing, but peace out

You're new here so you don't realise how this works.

It's not that people are fine with this, it's that we know it's just not coming yet. This first set of adjustment is always more of "this isn't quite what we intended", it's not until after the raid series that we get the "ok, so this isn't working and the players hate this" adjustments.

There are plenty of people complaining, and it's all the same things, so there's no way SE are going to just flat out ignore it. You just need to be patient.

And it is 5.05 we're still waiting for, this is 5.01. If 5.05 comes and goes and there's been no adjustments, they've officially missed their deadline.

Originally Posted by Random_Guy

as a scholar main i feel bad for you guys i'll admit our situation sucks in terms of playability but at least it can function cause of numbers and such. after what i have read here though it pretty much sounds unplayable or to the point it would never be worth it. i really hope you guys get some stuff to work with in a very soon patch/hotfix or whatever cause its sounds downright miserable from what's here. for anyone who still keeps sticking it out hoping things get better and sorry that you guys REALLY got the short end of the stick.

It is not that ast is unplayable because it can do all content atm fine, it is that it's undesirable due to having weaker heals, weaker pdps and its card buffs are only good for pad runs (which are unpredictable due to rng \o/), anything else you are better off taking whm/sch due to safety and higher pdps.

TBH i didn't even think they would lower Gravity mp so small surprise for that, don't expect anything more until 5.05-5.1 at this stage.

I know I'm whining, but I really just can't play AST as it is NOW. It's awful. I tried levelling it, and just... It's awful. I really don't think anything should've necessarily changed from AST's previous play style. Major Arcana was fine. With the lack of TP, someone else would have to be in its place (even if bole = melee damage and spire = ranged damage as they deigned; they didn't have to turn ALL cards like that). There's no aoe (i.e. Royal Road) effects anymore, either, and guess what? DPS have aoe buffs for the team, so why doesn't AST have aoe buffs? Why don't we have our enhanced buffs, either? As I was lvel grinding I noticed more and more things were missing. It got to be to the point where I just could not play the class, and it was my main/favourite class for the past four years. I had no alternate classes until about a year ago.

The new AST is a total inefficient joke of a class now. I don't want "new solutions/new compromises," I just want my old class with level 80 skills. Spoilt, I know. I just... can't believe how shitty they were towards healers this round. It hurts, Yoshi P. It hurts not-good.


Here's hoping 5.05 will have decent class fixes. Fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by Cyrocco

Oh cut it out drama queen. You can't throw a fit when they basically announce more changes are coming. Something tells me nothing sooner than changes the day after release would've made you happy.

No one's saying you need to wait for patch notes.

No one's saying you need to try it.

No one's saying you need to get to level 80.

Why? Because everyone knows there are problems.

But you're acting like a crazy Walmart Customer who needs to be taken care of now, and that's just not how the world works.

i think his point is, astro could use potency and cool down changes.

while that is true, my take is these changes were not even a potency/cost whatever pass, just a couple tiny things they were willing to put in now. That said, my expectations are not very high

with the twinning and the 2nd boss of eden out, it can give us some ideas of what could be a good thematic for ast, they seem to be wanting to move away from the time mage bits, but, lightspeed is still there... so ast might as well be the closest thing we have to a time mage and they should embrace it. (light years for stars light to reach us and all that reasoning)

i am still leveling ast, but the issues are very apparent even early on. (and if anyone with common sense read the tooltips knows where the issues are)

Originally Posted by Cyrocco

But you're acting like a crazy Walmart Customer who needs to be taken care of now

Originally Posted by Seraphor

You just need to be patient.

i mean

i'm not going to agree with the way MeHeal put his arguments
because, sure, it's a bit out there and "drama queen-y"

but like

you guys DO understand how long things like MCH went... the way they did, correct?
i'm not trying to be a doomsayer, but this does count as a valid concern
it isn't even just about "i need this fixed now" or "patience"

it seemingly takes them years to get around to fixing garbage concepts to something as simple as RNG procs to your basic 123 combo

-shrug-
it's just a little disheartening sometimes

this game has no "specs", you play one class one way the same as everyone else, which is fine, but it seems like that should be more of a reason to not... seem... so... "secondary" when it comes to the pacing of updates and balances for the game overall

i mean, don't get me wrong, the fights, the story, the.... well, the everything, really, even down to the crafting classes, are all absolutely gorgeous and amazing, that's why i, as well as many others, are subbing to this game, as everything is just so top-notch

it's just upsetting that the way that we play the actual game every time we log in, seems to have less.... oomph put into it than everything else