Thread: 5.0 AST is a failure

After lvl all 3 healer to 80 and play them in the dungeons/ex trial I can say astro atm is active to play so you cast/draw, cast/redraw, cast/enhance and then cast and play. But what I had in like in 2 from 10 runs whas not getting 3 seals with sleeve draw and redraw and then you are forced to use the 4 % dmg instead of the 6 and that 2 times in a fight, were I couldn’t draw a blooper or balance for the solar seal so you are forced to take 4 % when people use there cds on cd

And yeah Astro is hectic and active to play and not that strong in comparison. And the Card system if you have all seals is always draw and make a king or queen out of it. There is no other better thing to do

Originally Posted by Crushnight

The thing with this is you then have to ask the question do the buffs provide more dps than the time taking off from killing the fight faster with another hlr, if they do ast will be used for pad runs if they don't ast becomes useless compared to the other two healers.

Lots of people only care about themselves, and couldn't care less about the overall picture. I used to play with this BLM who would sit in AOE's if it wouldn't result in them being 1 hit. He was an orange parser in Savage Tier Raids last expansion.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

the question still remains though is the dps buffs from the cards > the dps gained from killing faster? the answer should always be a yes but SE has made weird design choices in the past ho knows what the future holds

No, but people will still want Ast because they only care about their own DPS.

Originally Posted by Ftail

No, but people will still want Ast because they only care about their own DPS.

Well, good news, FTail: that's what DNC is for. AST would not be ideal for that position because of the potential downtime between applied buffs, as well as the insignificance of their output.

Lately, I've been thinking that it's time for Squeen to accept that they've created jobs which don't fit into their roles as precisely as they want, for the sake of their contrived balance, and just create a Support job role for those classes. The support job role would be able to provide the party with a variety of advantages while posing potentially as off-DPS and/or off-healing, but wouldn't necessarily be the strongest. I'd imagine that jobs such as BRD (though, not in the current not-so-bard-like state that it's in now), DNC, and AST would fit into the role, and each jobs skills/spells/abilities and potencies would need to be revisited in order to make that work. To that end, I'd think that 4-man parties would be formed with 1 each of Tank, Healer, Support, and DPS, while the 8 mans would ideally be comprised of 2 tanks, 1 healer, 1 support, 4 DPS.

Otherwise, regarding this topic directly: it sort of feels like they wanted to use AST as an experiment. They've previously decided that they wanted the healers to spend more time focused on healing, and, for the most part, they've achieved that on AST, but now they get to gauge if this is an effective strategy for the other healers, or if their experiment was a failure. Regarding cards, they probably thought about it from a DPS perspective (more damage up = better, right?), and figured that was enough.

I have been wanting support jobs in this game since ff14 1.0. I was so disappointed when bard was a ranger and not like the bard in FF11.

But you're not wrong SE boxed themselves in the moment they added AST and after that they didn't really know what to do now. And seeing dancer now in shb and the change to astro they seem even more confused.

You absolutely nailed it OP.

I just feel so damn weak when running dungeons. Like I have to work my a** off to keep the tank alive on big pulls, something i never see the other healers struggle with.

Even the damage is extremely low too, I'm really disappointed with the numbers and the effort I have to put in just to keep up.

Also i wish i could shuffle through cards while casting stuff, or something. It just doesn't feel good as it is. During intense healing moments in EX Trials I almost don't have time to shuffle through cards.

Hopeful for a fix!