5.0 AST is a failure

**Crushnight** · 07-15-2019 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by SleepyNeko

I agree that AST is in a really bad spot atm but I think he/she was trying to say that AST will be brought to raids to pad the parses of the other player's dps just so that people can get that oranges, not that AST will speed up the kill.

The thing with this is you then have to ask the question do the buffs provide more dps than the time taking off from killing the fight faster with another hlr, if they do ast will be used for pad runs if they don't ast becomes useless compared to the other two healers.

**Erise** · 07-15-2019 07:25 AM

First of all i want to thank the devs for an amazing game that i enjoy playing every single day. You put in amazing work and you should be proud of yourself!

Secondly i want to thank the poster AmurT for this thread. You very accurately describe how i feel about 5.0 AST. I mained the job in sb for raids and it felt amazing. It was smooth and you could make so many stategic decisions: cards and extending buffs with 10s.

As you described i feel like all the strategy gameplay aspects have been diminished and replaced with a frustrating system. Even when the cards go perfect i cant even feel happy since the ogcd bloat makes me dislike the job. Playing controller and having to tab down the party list for the right dps to hit so often while healing and dpsing feels awful.

I am sad to say i am no longer an ast main. I have switch to brd/dnc. I rather deal with dps queues than play ast in any content. Luckily my static has accommodated me and others have switched roles.

The new card system feels like a choire and does not provide me with a sense of decision making or joy when the rng hits just right. Not to speak about the low personal dps nor the low healing potency.

Also want to note i had hoped that noct ast would be fixed this expension only to find it even worse.

**MrSmiley** · 07-15-2019 08:38 AM

The problem with ast is its just bad, whm dps alone seems like more than asts cards actually provide. This is not because whm or sch are overtuned, but because ast is woefully undertuned. Collective unconcious and celestial opposition are joke of cooldowns too sadly. On my whm and sch I don't use all my tools always because I don't need them, on ast they just don't seem to do anything...

**MeHeal** · 07-15-2019 10:16 AM

Wall to wall dungeon pulls are a joke on this AST... It would be fun having to heal this much if it didn't come down to spamming benefic II for 90% of the pull.
It seems like they were only thinking about 8man content when they designed this AST (which is funny because even that was botched)

**Mortex** · 07-15-2019 06:49 PM

After lvl all 3 healer to 80 and play them in the dungeons/ex trial I can say astro atm is active to play so you cast/draw, cast/redraw, cast/enhance and then cast and play. But what I had in like in 2 from 10 runs whas not getting 3 seals with sleeve draw and redraw and then you are forced to use the 4 % dmg instead of the 6 and that 2 times in a fight, were I couldn’t draw a blooper or balance for the solar seal so you are forced to take 4 % when people use there cds on cd

**Mortex** · 07-15-2019 06:51 PM

And yeah Astro is hectic and active to play and not that strong in comparison. And the Card system if you have all seals is always draw and make a king or queen out of it. There is no other better thing to do

**Miiu** · 07-16-2019 01:18 AM

I have been wanting support jobs in this game since ff14 1.0. I was so disappointed when bard was a ranger and not like the bard in FF11.

But you're not wrong SE boxed themselves in the moment they added AST and after that they didn't really know what to do now. And seeing dancer now in shb and the change to astro they seem even more confused.

**RoseyDevlin** · 07-16-2019 11:36 AM

Reading all this makes me miss old Ast again, I had so much fun using mp card when I had to revive too many times and using skills to extend buffs. I remember how I gave one member 1 minute dmg buff and party one lasted 30 seconds without using time buff. And now we have cards which all do shit dmg buff for what the original used to be. Getting all different 3 seals and only getting 6% dmg buff which only lasts 15 seconds to everyone and 3 minutes cooldown...when old cards used to give 10% which lasted 30 seconds. Were at the bottom of the chart when it comes to healing/dmg that they even had to nerf all our buffs. I feel like drg dmg buffs are way better than what ast is atm, what old ast used to be is now for dancer...I lvled my ast while doing msq for my first ever class to 80 cause I could not give up on my favourite class...I can still manage keeping pt alive but when it comes to other healers were like dust next to them. For new skills I do enjoy using horoscope and neutral sect but damn having to spam all healing kits and still it not being enough to just dps or focus on your cards without seeing your tank dropping hp so fast. I haven't even lvled up my other healers to 80 yet but when I do I will probably feel even more dissappointed in Ast nerfs.

**Nicodemus_Mercy** · 07-16-2019 12:34 PM

While I have been enjoying leveling AST in Shadowbringers, and contrary to many, I like the changes to the cards, I will agree that some of AST's skills seem under tuned.

For a two minute cooldown, Celestial Opposition feels really weak. I feel like it should have at the very least a 200 potency cure and the HoT portion should also be 200 potency (making it at least equivalent to an aoe Aspected Benefic). After leveling to 76 as AST so far, I hardly feel like there's any impact from hitting Celestial Opposition for such a long cooldown.

Another under tuned ability is Collective Unconscious. This ability's potency needs to be at least as high as Asylum's. Heck they even share a cooldown if you change jobs! But its half the potency AND its duration is shorter. Collective Unconscious should be about on par with Asylum imo.

And finally, I feel like Celestial Intersection could benefit from a slight potency buff as well. Just a bit like say from 150 to 200. Its a good skill, I just wish it was a bit stronger.

**falroth** · 07-16-2019 12:56 PM

You absolutely nailed it OP.

I just feel so damn weak when running dungeons. Like I have to work my a** off to keep the tank alive on big pulls, something i never see the other healers struggle with.

Even the damage is extremely low too, I'm really disappointed with the numbers and the effort I have to put in just to keep up.

Also i wish i could shuffle through cards while casting stuff, or something. It just doesn't feel good as it is. During intense healing moments in EX Trials I almost don't have time to shuffle through cards.

Hopeful for a fix!

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