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  1. #51
    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Diabolos
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Short of having an actual disability that limits your motor skills or cognitive skills (and Im not joking, Im being 100% here, as in real deal impairments that youve seen a certified physician for with clinical treatments), it is not beyond you to learn and improve. If your mentality is "It's to hard to do, therefore I should just petition it to be easier for me" , then frankly the issue lies with you.
    Holy hell on wheels can nobody read that I said I'm fully capable of doing it, and have cleared it multiple times without dying, and that it's not because I need to "git gud", it's just that I'm damn tired of rude people that want it in one clear or they quit because they can't stand trying again?

    I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).

    Quote Originally Posted by Nononu View Post
    Yeah. That's entirely messed up there. But it's what I've come to expect from the people on the forums.

    With that said, I ran EX 7 times with a chill PF party. I was shaking so bad by the end of it I had to drop out. I only caused the wipe the first time when we were still figuring out how to play with one another and everyone was really cool with it. I didn't wipe us again but I hated every moment of every single one of those 7 runs. It was so exhausting, mentally, as I have the same anxiety you have. (Well, not the -same-, I suppose, but very similar!)

    The content should be able to be unsynced. I've never played any Monster Hunter games for more than five minutes but it's my understanding that you can run into any monster at cap level (?), in stupidly over leveled gear, and curb stomp them. Same deal here. It's not wrecking the contribution Capcom made if you can do it in their game, though I can see why they might think that.

    I'm entirely with OP and I can't accurately describe how I feel about the whole "get better friends" thing, because the forum has strict rules about cussing. But uh. Enjoy being elitist and lonely, I guess? (Saying "get better friends" is NOT being blunt. It's being the worst. End of story.)
    However, thank you for understanding what I'm talking about.
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  2. #52
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    AxlStream's Avatar
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    Axl Stream
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Oh sure, my friends are only as good as their DPS numbers...
    /s
    I didn't say to remove your friends or to ditch them. Just get friends from tiers of play that are above you. I have friends that never step into EX content and others that go as high as clearing Ultimate multiple times and doing parse runs. I take players who I know are comfortable with the level of content of what I'm planning to run. Think I'll bring someone that doesn't step into EX to sub for Savage?
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  3. #53
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    Melichoir's Avatar
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    Desia Demarseille
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).
    Well, Im big enough to admit I misunderstood your initial post, so sorry in that regards.

    However, It's still a you/your friend thing. This concept or belief that the PF is full of negativity is a skewed perception you have (along with the idea that grinding out the 50 tokens is to much. There are many players who grind out twice that for Wolfs). Possibly you had a bad experience or two. However, its on the whole fairly neutral if not positive. I've grinded out Rathalos. I know whats in the PF. Yes, there are bad eggs, but they are by and large the minority of players. If you feel anxious doing PF, perhaps maybe PF comes off as negative is because your anxiety is rubbing people the wrong way, or maybe youre misinterpreting what other people are saying. Perhaps you have really do have bad luck, and the RNG gods have deemed it fair to bless you with all the worst players. Dont know, but the idea that the player base is a cess pool of toxicity is hyperbole.

    If your solution to PF is to use your friends, but they arent up to snuff, then help them get up to snuff. Again, thats an issue of self improvement. Instead of asking content be made easier, help your friends improve so they can do the content with you. It's either that or learn to cope better with the more negative aspects of PF. Again, this all goes right back to dealing with yourself and not finding excuses for the content. If you dont want to interact with other players, and you dont want to help your friends improve (or they have no interest in improving) then thats that. Find like minded people you gel with and can do the content then. That takes effort on your part. Stop saying "Well, it should be unsynched so my friends or I dont have to invest the effort in getting better or interacting with other players." It all comes back to what you can do, not asking or suggesting to SE that "PF sucks, so nerf it so I dont have to put the effort to solve this problem."



    Quote Originally Posted by Nononu View Post

    I'm entirely with OP and I can't accurately describe how I feel about the whole "get better friends" thing, because the forum has strict rules about cussing. But uh. Enjoy being elitist and lonely, I guess? (Saying "get better friends" is NOT being blunt. It's being the worst. End of story.)
    While not worded right, the concept is pretty clear. Many of the "elite" players have many friends and are quite sociable happy people. They dont make excuses for the content. And they have friends who arent interested in the higher content. These 'elite' players just decide to play with other players or friends who can do the content. The fact you think people will be lonely because they seek out like minded people to do content is kinda shallow. If the friends you have arent willing to improve, then finding friends who can do the content is an option.
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  4. #54
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    spf1200's Avatar
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    Xant'cha Argoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    You must not know how anxiety works. Surprisingly, I don't think I'll ever just stop being afraid of people being rude and yelling at me. It's not unfounded -- people playing this game have a tendency to be very strict, serious, and somehow seem to have zero fun ever in their lives. I wouldn't have any problem if people were like "hey yeah it's chill whatever" but the people who join my PFs are never like that. They want to win on the first attempt or they leave, and if I make a mistake I get yelled at.
    When I first started this game I couldn't us PF due to social anxiety. The thought of having to talk to other people while doing harder content keep me from doing a lot of ARRs endgame. In HW I forced myself to make PFs for all the endgame stuff I wanted to do and eventually I got over it. There are mean people out there that will tell over small mistakes, but if you let them scare you off you will never get anywhere. Just remember there are people out there that don't mind wipes or mistakes. Heck I tried GH EX last night for the first time and had to make many PFs since people keep rage quiting ( and I still didn't get it cleared), you just got to brush it off and move on.
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  5. #55
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    Xenogiri's Avatar
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    Xenos Ogiri
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    Dark Knight Lv 79
    Im not sure what server you're from, and you're definitely not wrong about negativity plaguing this game just as other games. Personally in my amount of time playing this game I've ran into a rather large proportion of positivity than negativity, of course you run into the few bad apples but other than that its been relatively smooth sailings, especially with Party Finder, the parties I either get put in or fill in for, are 9/10 chill and laid back. I dont know if it's just the Diabolos server, but I dont really have an issue much there.
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  6. #56
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    Arngrim_Greyashe's Avatar
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    Grimnir Greywolfe
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hezzlocks View Post

    To this effect, I even think *current* content should be able to be unsynced purely because of that reason: The fun of the challenge, push as hard and as far as you can go.

    THIS is why I say more options, not less.
    No. Just no. I don't want this to be a game where they just hand things over to people that don't want to learn mechanics.
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  7. #57
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    DumdogsWorld's Avatar
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    W'kohrahx Tia
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    I don't think going into older content unsync is ever a bad thing if the rewards are adjusted accordingly. Right now you don't get gil, exp, or drops from mobs in unsync dungeons. The only rewards are clears, coffers, and challenge log entries.

    I think the only place you could even possibly raise an argument about the rewards being too good is the coffers. You can get loot from any job/class, including ones that are the same level as the dungeon or lower. If you're strong enough to solo a dungeon, you should only be able to get gear for the job you're playing as. Then you could only possibly use it for glamours or GC seals.

    As for player participation, unsync runs don't seem to affect it nearly as much as people make it out to. I have no problem finding people for old, obscure content in duty finder or party finder.

    As for teaching people to ignore mechanics - I'll admit, it sort of does. But unsync isn't available for the content of whatever the latest expansion pack is at any given time. They're gonna have to wisen up anyway.
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    Last edited by DumdogsWorld; 07-11-2019 at 01:13 AM.

  8. #58
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    Nora_of_Mira's Avatar
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    Nora Origo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).
    I have to echo what other people are saying because it's only been the truth for me. I've cleared this fight nearly 100 times (50 totems for myself, then 50 totems for a friend) over a long span of time since it came out. At first I did farm the fight with like-minded savage players like myself and it was generally a breeze. After the raiding scene died down, the only people left trying this fight were people that missed it while it was fresh, my casual friends.

    They were not in any way prepared for this fight and often griped to me how hard it was to clear this fight in PF. But because I wanted them to have their mount, I took it upon myself to run it with them, show them firsthand how clearable it is with as less stress as possible, and I got them to the level they needed to be in order to clear this fight with any PUG. Was the PF people generally negative? not at all in my experience. we all wiped many times but we all understand how RNG Rathalos can be in the 2nd phase and just rolled it off and tried again.

    +1 to everything Melichoir said.
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