If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[JadeStormbrand]

Heal first, DPS in down time. The only reason I can see this changing is if you are new to a duty, or are still getting used to a fight, and don't feel 100% comfortable doing so, but once things have settled, and you know a fight you should know the opening in which you can start to DPSing.

[Derceto]

TLDR: Healer DPS is more important than anything else, if you don't, your dead weight, get lost.

Their dead weight what.....?

[Misutoraru]

Thanks for the insight and that makes sense and can I respect the mindset. My mmo background is rather limited in terms of verity but I never been a fan of traditional healing, I do remember in one game it was possible to heal content as a DPS spec, so when I had to heal I did it that way. Way you explained it also makes sense why I have friends who rather heal 24 man content and do not heal 4 or 8 man content with a 10 foot pool because they enjoy the more frequent requirement of heals in 24 mans either due to co healer problem or group problems.

Perfectly understandable, just different ppl prefer different type of playing
Yeah it could be quite intense in 24 raid with DF.
I think most ppl are in the middle ground in terms of healing dps, very little are found in both extreme end, but it is always those extreme hijack the thread and turn a civil discussion/debate into trolling/toxic thread

[Granyala]

900 potency not enough to you?

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

[Daethir]

I love how that's the most power they have. Imagine getting so offended over your healer healing that you abuse the votekick feature.

That's so ironic, we can say the exact same thing about people reporting everytime they get kicked. Maybe try playing in a way that doesn't make your teammate try to get rid of you ?

[cougarel]

Someone pass some *popcorn*.


No clue about sch and astro atm since i've leveled on whm and from the experience so far, i can heal and dps just fine without having issue with mana or healing capacity.
That being said, i don't get this mentality of i'm a healer so i'm just gonna heal...i mean if you prefer to hit enrage or adding more time to the run....ok, but the others have to agree as well since you're not playing alone.
But also the other part as well for kicking someone which does keep you alive and contributes. Both are extreme versions tbh and i am somewhere in the middle since i can understand both parties and not fully agree with both.
The pressure specially on new dungeons is higher and usually for the first run i will focus heal, dps second if i have a spare time and the tank is playing proper as i had my share of tanks as well (mister i kick healers).

But dw, we have the trust system now so you can avoid all together playing with other people.

[gumas]

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

yet its instant, you can always cast something else and weave it yes every 90 seconds, its an extra but a good extra. ast have nothing to weave here aside from earthly star. if the card system is good/worth the dps loss its fine, right now everything just underwhelming.

[Melorie]

This game battle design is not built for pure healing. If you're struggling, and heals more than do DPS, that's okay. But at some point you can't just wait for people to get damage. If you do that, you're idling or overhealing, which means that you're not playing your job right.
If you still just want to wait till people get hit, accept that you're not doing your best with your job. If you want to simply do the best with your job, ok, but do not expect that other players will accept that.

That being said, no one ever asked me to dps even on my laziest runs, and I'm talking about follow-with-fairy-healing runs. Yeah there's a chance you get a person like that on DF every once in a while, but they're hardly the rule. It's a MMO so it's natural that you get angry/anxious/demanding people sometimes. Not a huge deal tbh.

[AmeliaVerves]

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

While in a pure vacuum (aka Stone Sky Sea/dummy fight) Misery is an actual dps loss and fishing for it will result in loosing dps, but I disagree on the lilies being underwhelming.
They could have done more to make them useful and find more ways to spend them, but as it stands now you get a significant value out of your spent GCD heals. They're instant, strong and for free, which makes them perfect methods to weave during times of high movement. You only loose 1/4 of a glare and get a clipping-free double weave + it's still a gain over snapshotting your Dia with 20s left.
Ofc EX Primals don't make you use them a lot for actual healing, but I think they will come in pretty handy for savage and harder fights.

[Granyala]

yet its instant, you can always cast something else and weave it yes every 90 seconds, its an extra but a good extra. ast have nothing to weave here aside from earthly star. if the card system is good/worth the dps loss its fine, right now everything just underwhelming.

Last time I checked, all my lily skills are on the GCD, so there is nothing to "weave".
At least, not as I understand the term.

Yeah they are instant, so I do get increased mobility, which is definitely nice since WHM always lagged behind in that regard compared to the other classes.

but I disagree on the lilies being underwhelming

Love the blue ones.
Only the purple one is underwhelming.