If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[Shurrikhan]

yeah buff group dps.... for 6%... with 180s CD...

...yeah, very fair

It's not, admittedly. AST is undertuned. No one else is doing significantly less damage potency than they did at level 64.

[Clicked]

They reduced the complexity of the DPS rotation to make it easier to weave decent DPS in while still keeping the group alive... So yes, SE does expect you to try. The trust healers all DPS too.

[Beelhi]

I tried to only heal and constantly heal any damage for one boss in ShB...it was the most boring fight ever.
I honestly don't get where some people get this "healers are forced to focus on healing now they don't have time to dps" from because unless the tank pulls every mob possible until he hits a wall i still spam holy. On boss fight i probably dps 80% of the time and the only time someone dies is when they fail mechanics that one shots.

I also wonder who these people are that say "dps first, heal second" because I can assure you that is an extreme minority that you shouldn't bother to run content with because no matter what you do these kinds of people would complain. Heal if needed, dps when you can. That's all people are asking for. So it's confusing when people say "I hate people telling me to dps" and then in the next sentence say "i heal when needed and dps when I can" that is LITERALLY what people are asking for.

I absolutely hate healers that stand around doing nothing or spam Cure II on a tank sitting on 95% HP or spam medica during AOE attacks when a simple medica II is enough to top people off until the next AOE. And then we die because they are out of mana.

[Annihilism]

Tank pulls everything, I cast medica 2, regen, and divine benison. Next I use thin air and presence of mind and spam holy, everything dies. For boss fights just spam stone, aero, ogcd heals and use whatever else for kicks. I guess what I'm trying to say is level WHM, everyone wins. I'm the most casual player and I still dps but that's only because WHM is super easy to dps and heal. Everyone please level WHM.

[ScarboroughFairy]

And I've tanked dungeons without a healer before. Prior to Shadowbringers, it was laughably easy given how much Warrior and Dark Knight healed for on a mass pull.

Ahh...that takes me back as an old career Tank. Wall-to-wall pulling and covering yourself in millions of mobs only to laugh in Blood Price+Abyssal Drain as a DRK or laugh in Inner Release+Steel Cyclone as WAR.

Healer: Heal. We don't need you to DPS. As soon as a party needs Healer DPS, their DPS and Tank suck monkey butts. With the DPS Buff to Tanks and the simplification of Skillsets everyone should be able to stick to their roles.

This is a poor hot take. When a Healer does damage, they're being a good Healer as long as they're concurrently keeping everyone alive. That doesn't mean the DPS and Tanks suck, it's triage. I take it you don't play a lick of Healer with this bad opinion.

[TwistedTea]

Looking at the enmity bar is a terrible way to judge damage. The easiest way to judge damage without the use of certain programs is by how slowly things are dying. If things are dying too slow, it’s safer to say that damage sucks versus “that DPS is number 4 on the aggro list...

While it may not be the most accurate outside of using a third party tool, the example I provided, is when healers are not using any of their heals nor any Regen ticks. Just full on DPS.

So your Cure 3 example does not apply

This is quite possible in 50- 70 content. Secondly, I agree, when I see stuff dying slowly, I start to pay attention to the DPS.

Lastly, I mostly pug duty roulettes, it goes something like:

"Hmm, stuff is dying slowly.Let me pay attention to DPS.

Are they popping their aggro dump abilities?

No..."

[HyoMinPark]

While it may not be the most accurate outside of using a third party tool, the example I provided, is when healers are not using any of their heals nor any Regen ticks. Just full on DPS.

So your Cure 3 example does not apply

The enmity bar is not and has never been an adequate measure of DPS. Whether there’s Cure III involved or not. If you didn’t like the Cure III example, consider Assize: Assize has become a damage button ever since its CD was lowered to 45 seconds. And it is almost always an overheal. It also skyrockets their aggro as a result, maybe landing them at #2 or #3.

So my argument still stands, and you shouldn’t rely on it as a measure of damage. Unfortunately, without a damage meter, you won’t know for certain who stands where—but even so, my Cure III example doesn’t change my main point.

This is quite possible in 50- 70 content. Secondly, I agree, when I see stuff dying slowly, I start to pay attention to the DPS.

Lastly, I mostly pug duty roulettes, it goes something like:

"Hmm, stuff is dying slowly.Let me pay attention to DPS.

Are they popping their aggro dump abilities?

No..."

Well aggro dumps/quellers are dead now, but perhaps I’m confusing what you’re trying to say. Low DPS and slow kill times on trash usually comes from DPS not AOEing—not necessarily not using their enmity management (back when it was a thing). It’s less obvious now whether or not DPS are AOEing with the removal of TP, but you can tell if you opt to watch them at least. And, with casters, you can watch their castbar, which is what I have done sometimes.

[DavidIven]

took me only first page to find 2 bad healers

[AmeliaVerves]

Just on a side note: Titania Extreme can be healed not using a single GCD heal.

[Misutoraru]

I think it is always down to 3 groups of ppl in this kind of thread
The two extremes, heal that don’t want to do anything other than heal even they are comfortable doing nothing and ppl who except heal to be super human that can’t even have a second of idle
The third group of heal that like to try dps within their own pace or limit or straight out want more intense healing.

This kind of thread usually turn toxic when the two extreme start flooding in, or ppl start assuming others are on those extreme

So nothing to see here, this kind of thread is just like the calamities in FFXIV, same thing repreated every period of time