Wars in need if potency increases

[Schrute]

That means in one GCD, Inner Beasts 350 potency is more than the potency you get from 3 GCDs. It's a DPS increase.

This is not how you do math... if inner beast did 3 potency worth in one gcd it would have to be more than 880 potency in one hit... I’m not asking for that.

[WhyAmIHere]

Look at fflogs and over all dps compares to the other tanks? And again with inner beast it never got the potency increase everything else got for losing slashing.

Never said it was in a bad spot, said it needs potency increases. That is all.

Right, lets do that then shall we? If I'm reading this right, which i might not be, buuuuuuuuuuuut:
Looking at the top ten for all tanks based on all star numbers, WAR/PLD/GNB all take 3 of the ten spots, leaving DRK with just one place in the top ten highest. In fact on this alone WAR places 3rd, after PLD in 2nd and GNB in 1st.
What could also play a factor in this? The number of total parses uploaded. PLD and GNB are both sitting at over 12k, DRK having 13k, and WAR only 10k. What that tells me is more people are playing a) the new hotness, b) the new DRK, and c) PLD what got even more upgrades to its kit. WAR didn't receive much in ways of change in 5.0, so ofc it's going to appear lackluster at first. We're still in the honeymoon phase, so I'd be willing to say "wait for things to normalize / wait for savage."

WAR, in both Titania, and Innocence, is sitting 3rd overall. Again, the trend of usage carries over, and GNB is ranked highest, with PLD 2nd in both fights. This is at 75th percentile. Isolating it to just innocence, and taking it down a notch to 40th, where I'd wager a lager pool of the playerbase sits (optimism, lol), we get the following:
GNB 1st, WAR 2nd, PLD 3rd, DRK 4th. In fact, you have to go to the 70th percentile to see PLD overtake WAR in total damage.

If anything I can take from this, it's that WAR is fine; at the higher ends of play sure it's lagging, and maybe a boost to it's damage might be warranted... if it werent for an about 100 DPS difference at 70th, and again about 100 DPS at 95th percentile. If anything, DRK needs a DPS buff more than WAR does. If we're going to go by FFLogs, that is.

[Novak_04]

I'm confused...

Are we saying Warrior needs a dps buff because it's not #1 like it was all throughout Stormblood? If there's such a small difference between the highest and lowest of the tank dps, wouldn't that mean that their dps is well balanced? I'm uncertain what you're asking for here... you seem pretty hell-bent on calling out Inner Beast, specifically, which is an ability that gets changed to something else altogether later on. It sounds to me like you're getting a taste of how Dark Knight felt in Stormblood, but suddenly think it's unfair because it's happening to Warrior... /shrug

[NyneSwordz]

I'm sure theyre gonna buff war damage going forward, it always seemed like it was the dps tank.

Im more interested in them removing onslaught rage cost and giving wars a way go gain eye buff without having to go through a single target combo to make aoe with overpower and mythril tempest easier.

[Praesul]

This is not how you do math... if inner beast did 3 potency worth in one gcd it would have to be more than 880 potency in one hit... I’m not asking for that.

AVERAGE potency. You do not do 880 potency in one GCD, you have to do 3 GCDs to get to that total. So you average it out, it comes to 293.3, with inner beast beating it while only costing one GCD.

This is exactly how every comboless GCD is balanced.

Maybe this will make it easier to understand: Eye/Path potency is 380, right? You don't just slam the Path button and get 380 potency, you build up to it by doing 200 potency first, then 300 potency, then finally 380 potency. This is why you average them out, and why Inner Beast's 350 potency is more than fine. Hell, it was fine even when it was 300 in the past.

[ReiMakoto]

The issue with buffing WAR now is it will then probably need a nerf later due to crit scaling.

[ArianeEwah]

I agree that Inner Beast does need a little tweak.

Its last potency change happened back when Storm's Eye damage buff was nerfed to 10% - from 300 to 350.
At the same time Butcher's Block' potency got buffed from 280 to 300.

Now, as the Butcher's Block combo has been removed, and our only combo finishers are Storm's Eye and Path with 380 potency, I would like to see IB at 380-400 potency to compensate the missing healing (and slashing bonus dmg) effect.

While the new charge system on Infuriate does give WAR 4 IB every 2nd Berserk window, please remember they revised the damage calculation. 200 potency now are not like 200 potency then (probably more like 170 or 180 potency). Also, WAR doesn't have any damage dealing oGCDs until 62 and 64 (in form of Onslaught and Upheaval), and at this point they already "lost" IB.

Still, I disagree with potency buffs on lvl 80. WAR might've the lowest or 2nd lowest DPS of all 4 tanks. But the difference is small - and more balanced compared to Stormblood. WAR is not the DPS tank anymore? As a WAR main, I don't care! As long as I enjoy the playstyle and not be at the rock bottom at DPS and utility, I don't see a real "problem".

As of right now, WAR is bonkers in dungeons. Nascent Flash + Chaotic Cyclone during big pulls, gets you from 1 HP to full in 1-2 sweeps.

A QoL change I would welcome, is Storm's Eye buff duration increased to 35/40s. In SB, some low SkS or "even higher" SkS builds tended to lose Storm's Eye for a few seconds or even whole combos, to hit buff windows - or you kept it up 100% and clipped Infuriate and gave a damn about buff windows. With the new charge system on Infuriate it became even more awkward.
It wouldn't change our rotation significantly, but a little more flexible.
(A change similar to SAM buffs from 30s to 40s.)

[whiskeybravo]

War damage is OK. GNB is right on it's heels, though.

[Schrute]

AVERAGE potency. You do not do 880 potency in one GCD, you have to do 3 GCDs to get to that total. So you average it out, it comes to 293.3, with inner beast beating it while only costing one GCD.

This is exactly how every comboless GCD is balanced.

Maybe this will make it easier to understand: Eye/Path potency is 380, right? You don't just slam the Path button and get 380 potency, you build up to it by doing 200 potency first, then 300 potency, then finally 380 potency. This is why you average them out, and why Inner Beast's 350 potency is more than fine. Hell, it was fine even when it was 300 in the past.

Except when the potency averages and totals are lower than the other tanks. Comparing combo average to a singe gcd doesn’t work because it is out of context. Not to mention war doesn’t have any oGCD at lvl 50 and below.

Even fflogs are out of context for comparing dps. The top 95th percentile are more often than not, padded. Thanks dnc.

Again, war needs potency increases. Preferably to either fc or they change onslaught functionality and potencies.

[Praesul]

Except when the potency averages and totals are lower than the other tanks. Comparing combo average to a singe gcd doesn’t work because it is out of context. Not to mention war doesn’t have any oGCD at lvl 50 and below.

Even fflogs are out of context for comparing dps. The top 95th percentile are more often than not, padded. Thanks dnc.

Again, war needs potency increases. Preferably to either fc or they change onslaught functionality and potencies.

Comparing average potency makes absolute sense when you're specifically complaining about Inner Beasts potency. This has nothing to do with their numbers overall; you said IB potency doesn't make sense because 350 is lower than 380, and I explained to you why you don't understand comparing average potency to 1 GCD.

Inner Beast a DPS increase. Fact. Fullstop.

Now whether or not they need buffs elsewhere isn't something I particularly care about, I was just addressing one point you made so you have better context on balance, because if you don't know how to compare average potencies then you probably should get a handle on that first before throwing your opinion out there.