Dark Knight follow up thread

[Amon-ster]

Did you really get a lot more to break up the monotony of using SE combo, though? Dark Arts didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit harder. Blood Weapon didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit faster. Delirium, for all its underwhelming qualities, at least let's you not Souleater spam. Abyssal Drain now has use outside of trash pulls. Plunge has 2 charges so that's another button you oGCD to press. Can't forget about Living Shadow, which is a sexy move.

What I mean by "you can spam EoS" is that you CAN. You dont want to, just like you didnt want to press Dark Arts at literally every moment you could. Naturally it's not as easy to EoS as it was to Dark Arts for the simple fact that it's way stronger.

[jetfire117]

Did you really get a lot more to break up the monotony of using SE combo, though? Dark Arts didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit harder. Blood Weapon didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit faster. Delirium, for all its underwhelming qualities, at least let's you not Souleater spam. Abyssal Drain now has use outside of trash pulls. Plunge has 2 charges so that's another button you oGCD to press. Can't forget about Living Shadow, which is a sexy move.

What I mean by "you can spam EoS" is that you CAN. You dont want to, just like you didnt want to press Dark Arts at literally every moment you could. Naturally it's not as easy to EoS as it was to Dark Arts for the simple fact that it's way stronger.

Ironically I wish I could spam our two new moves a bit more, not as much as SB dark arts, but just a BIT more because they're really cool lol. It would also be awesome if every EoS cast resets the CD on living shadow, I just want to use the skill more.

[ADVSS]

Ironically I wish I could spam our two new moves a bit more, not as much as SB dark arts, but just a BIT more because they're really cool lol. It would also be awesome if every EoS cast resets the CD on living shadow, I just want to use the skill more.

would be cool, 2 min is an awful long time for a 50 blood spender, but eh.

Did you really get a lot more to break up the monotony of using SE combo, though? Dark Arts didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit harder. Blood Weapon didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit faster. Delirium, for all its underwhelming qualities, at least let's you not Souleater spam. Abyssal Drain now has use outside of trash pulls. Plunge has 2 charges so that's another button you oGCD to press. Can't forget about Living Shadow, which is a sexy move.

What I mean by "you can spam EoS" is that you CAN. You dont want to, just like you didnt want to press Dark Arts at literally every moment you could. Naturally it's not as easy to EoS as it was to Dark Arts for the simple fact that it's way stronger.

Thats the thing you "can" spam EoS, but then you;ll shoot yourself in the foot sooner or later. Its "safer" in multipack pulls, if BW is available, with flood. Single Target game for DRK just not so great(There, I guess thats the identity they have for DRK-the "dungeon tank") Personally though, DS being as it is, just costs too much, Technically if you look at WAR, or any other DPS with a maintanable damage buff, theres dont cost anything at all. Couldve been a branched combo finisher.

[Arsthan]

Did you really get a lot more to break up the monotony of using SE combo, though? Dark Arts didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit harder. Blood Weapon didn't do that, it just made SE combo hit faster. Delirium, for all its underwhelming qualities, at least let's you not Souleater spam. Abyssal Drain now has use outside of trash pulls. Plunge has 2 charges so that's another button you oGCD to press. Can't forget about Living Shadow, which is a sexy move.

What I mean by "you can spam EoS" is that you CAN. You dont want to, just like you didnt want to press Dark Arts at literally every moment you could. Naturally it's not as easy to EoS as it was to Dark Arts for the simple fact that it's way stronger.

For most people it did break up the monotony. A lot of people liked SB DRK, the people that didn't aren't mostly even tank mains. This might be a little off topic, but it really makes me mad that DRK was changed for the sake of the people who didn't like SB DRK. They now like ShB DRK, however for how long. Most will leave DRK soon enough because it's not a DPS in the end of the day. Then only the few people that play tanks all the time and like ShB DRK will be left to play him. There is certainly nothing wrong with liking ShB DRK, but it is incredibly disheartening for the people who religiously played DRK since HW and now just can't like what it is today.

Back to the topic though; yes, DA definitely broke up using SE, but mostly because you always had something to press in between your GCDs. BW just helped with that even more. DRK wen from something around 46 actions per minute to 35 or so. That kinda gives you a good idea why people dislike DRK for the most part - it's so unbelievably slow compared to what it used to be. That has to do with reworked BW, delirium, the MP costs and the MP generation. EoS is cool and all and I sure wouldn't mind it so much if I could use it a lot more. That's why increasing the MP generation and reducing the MP cost for EoS to 25% MP would be great. Would be also neat if they brought back the old BW, the speed was one awesome thing, but the fact that it proc'ed on basic attacks and oGCDs was way way better feeling than it is now. BW and delirium very tight and they don't feel rewarding. It's not like you feel different when you use them, spamming one skill during burst is already WAR's theme anyway.

On the matter of SB delirium, just how was it underwhelming? It gave you an insane amout of MP and some blood via BW. If used correctly, it was a DPS gain while having a longer BW felt great speed wise. And yet I'm hearing that people didn't even have it on their hotbar because they thought it was useless? That tells me that most people didn't even know how DRK worked.

Same goes for LD, for all its faults, not putting it on your hotbar just seems plain stupid to me. Mind you, these things aren't adressed to you personally, but in general. Unless you're one of those offenders.

tl;dr: DRK feels slow and you really only SE to press most of the time with nothing to weave in between.