Dark Knight follow up thread

[Chrono_Rising]

Take into account all the downtime you get in duty and these numbers will even out close to each other, maybe around 20-25 CPM.

Those numbers are taken from current duties and match theoretical predictions within the margin of error. There maybe future instances which force us lower, but I wouldn't want to count down time as part of my active button pressing time which makes up the majority of fights. For Dark knight this is down from 46 CPM. People predicted a 10 CPM lowering, and here it is.

[SakiKojiro]

It's literally the opposite of that...

It lacks any form of depth or nuance. Anyone can "git gud" at it, but that doesn't make it rewarding. DRK played at a high level felt like a flow, before. An interesting mechanically intensive dance where you had to watch various different things to get the most out of it.

Now you just do rotation. Rotation did, congrats u did it.

[Delily]

Why do people keep saying the job has no identity? It’s always been about spending MP to boost damage while relying on Blood Weapon and Syphon Strike to get it back. The rework keeps that identity and streamlined it so we don’t have to spam Dark Arts.

[MaraD_]

Why do people keep saying the job has no identity? It’s always been about spending MP to boost damage while relying on Blood Weapon and Syphon Strike to get it back. The rework keeps that identity and streamlined it so we don’t have to spam Dark Arts.

It lost its "Watch the MP gauge" identity, when it muddled it with more gauges, and less focus on the MP gauge. (heck it doesnt even get a guage for MP, where u can place it where u want on the hud UI. Nor anything like little markers at certain percentages into the MP bar. Considering THAT was its "identity"...) Blood gauge can mostly be ignored now, and pretty much the same with MP/dark side now.

Its even regains MP on server ticks now.
over all, its just trying to be a little bit of everything, with its "identity" being less magic damage taken, and more direct dmg oGCDs.

While it IS an identity, its not much of one anymore.
Hopefully either updates, or next expansion builds UPON it, rather than from reducing it.

[Delily]

It lost its "Watch the MP gauge" identity, when it muddled it with more gauges, and less focus on the MP gauge. (heck it doesnt even get a guage for MP, where u can place it where u want on the hud UI. Nor anything like little markers at certain percentages into the MP bar. Considering THAT was its "identity"...) Blood gauge can mostly be ignored now, and pretty much the same with MP/dark side now.

Its even regains MP on server ticks now.
over all, its just trying to be a little bit of everything, with its "identity" being less magic damage taken, and more direct dmg oGCDs.

While it IS an identity, its not much of one anymore.
Hopefully either updates, or next expansion builds UPON it, rather than from reducing it.

I’ll have to disagree here as I am constantly scanning my MP bar. If I have 10k mana that means I didn’t use at the very least an Edge. I’m trying to keep the bar between 3k and 9k while doing everything else.

[guardin]

I actually prefer Stormblood Dark Knight over Shadowbringers Dark Knight, but I also prefer Heavensward Dark Knight over the other 2... but that's just my personal opinion...


Also tanks with basically only 1 single target combo path and only 1 AoE combo path are very boring in my opinion as well... then again I also find WAR boring...

SB > SHB> HW

i miss the speed and spamming dark arts always made me feel like a dk and about to land a critical attack. plus since we dont have a cool aura dark arts was the next best thing

[MaraD_]

I’ll have to disagree here as I am constantly scanning my MP bar. If I have 10k mana that means I didn’t use at the very least an Edge. I’m trying to keep the bar between 3k and 9k while doing everything else.

I know u still look at the MP gauge. Im saying its no longer the "specialty".
I look at the MP bar constantly as other jobs too. You could argue not having cast bars is part of its specialty though.

But as long as ur not in the MT position, you never actually have to watch your MP. Theres no reason to hold onto MP.
When ur back into MT position, then of course u save the 3kmp, as DRK has always done. (the one feature it has, is saving just enough MP to do a TBN, which no other class really has in the same way)

This is of course only done once every 30 or so seconds anyways, based on boss TBs, so im sure we'll get to a point where we dont even watch MP most of the time, as we'll know when we can dump all of our MP, and when we need to reserve a small amount for the occasional TB about to come in X seconds.

But yeah, i still wouldnt say MP is their defining feature.

[Delily]

Considering the increased damage output and the changes to TBN, I suspect very much that we’ll be using it on whoever is currently tanking whether that’s us or the cotank. So you won’t be able blow all 3 edges at the start of the fight. It will still be case of keeping 3k mp in reserve.

[shao32]

Why do people keep saying the job has no identity? It’s always been about spending MP to boost damage while relying on Blood Weapon and Syphon Strike to get it back. The rework keeps that identity and streamlined it so we don’t have to spam Dark Arts.

please let me show you why, on HW DRK wasn't not only fast, his mp managment was around a small mp drain, the job buffed several skills with DA allowing him to have a dinamic combo system, have parry mechanics and a complex but fun and rewarding aoe and diverse MP generation skills.

on SB darkside was make it a bit more easy removing the mp drain mechanic but the job still enchance several skills with DA, some oGCD become nerfed so DA was our only reliable mp spender, parry mechanics disapear, combo diversity disapear, but his aoe rotation evolved and become much more fun, gets blood mechanics and delirium works as a increase of the resource generation uptime with a mp gift keeping this aspect of his identity.

SHB, darkside mechanics complety removed now is a generic buff, enchanced skills by DA removed, aoe rotation complexity removed, speed removed, mp generation heavely nerfed, MP cost increased, sole survivor removed, overall sustained dps sustituted by burst damage, bloodspiller become our primary source of damage like WAR fell cleave, the burst window works at the same timers that inner release, ect ect.

i probably miss some stuff but you can get the idea, DRK lose all his original gameplay identity this expansion losing the most.

[Nedkel]

Those numbers are taken from current duties and match theoretical predictions within the margin of error. There maybe future instances which force us lower, but I wouldn't want to count down time as part of my active button pressing time which makes up the majority of fights. For Dark knight this is down from 46 CPM. People predicted a 10 CPM lowering, and here it is.

Not really realistic, those numbers shows the highest possible CPM with offensive skills only on about 99% active rate. Its the numbers someone took out from calculator, warrior having 30-31 is his max possible speed.