Dark Knight follow up thread

[Sancho_Nyanta]

TBH I haven't tested myself as to whether or not it is front loaded or not. This was just something I was told and why I prefaced it with saying if my understanding was correct.

The thing is that you can't just use it like some knuckle-dragger. Take the unavoidable AOE after Frot rune in Titania. If your party doesn't stack for Frost rune and have the vuln stack then TBN won't pop for this. Testing for these kinds of things and finding when I can and can't use it effectively is the thing I'm finding engaging about it because our resources are much tighter. In SB if it did or didn't pop, I wouldn't really care just b/c resources were so plentiful and it wasn't much of a defensive or offensive gain. Now it is a massive defensive gain while being a offensive neutral. The issue is that people want it to be both an offensive and defensive gain.

As far as the math goes it isn't that difficult. The max damage that you have to take to compare to TBN is just "(max hp)*.25/%" where % is the % of the CD you are comparing. This is a flat amount regardless of timing, number of hits, or when TBN pops. Like taking 100k dmg over 5 hits (so 20k per hit). TBN pops on the 2nd hit (using my 30.7k example) and you take the remaining 3 hits raw. If you compare this to say Sheltron (which is currently blocking for 20%), you'll have all 5 hits mitigated but the overall result will be less mitigation because:
Damage Taken:
TBN-> 100k - 30.7k = 69.3k
Vs
Sheltron-> 100k * 20% = 80k

[DRKoftheAzure]

TBH I haven't tested myself as to whether or not it is front loaded or not. This was just something I was told and why I prefaced it with saying if my understanding was correct.

The thing is that you can't just use it like some knuckle-dragger. Take the unavoidable AOE after Frot rune in Titania. If your party doesn't stack for Frost rune and have the vuln stack then TBN won't pop for this. Testing for these kinds of things and finding when I can and can't use it effectively is the thing I'm finding engaging about it because our resources are much tighter. In SB if it did or didn't pop, I wouldn't really care just b/c resources were so plentiful and it wasn't much of a defensive or offensive gain. Now it is a massive defensive gain while being a offensive neutral. The issue is that people want it to be both an offensive and defensive gain.

As far as the math goes it isn't that difficult. The max damage that you have to take to compare to TBN is just "(max hp)*.25/%" where % is the % of the CD you are comparing. This is a flat amount regardless of timing, number of hits, or when TBN pops. Like taking 100k dmg over 5 hits (so 20k per hit). TBN pops on the 2nd hit (using my 30.7k example) and you take the remaining 3 hits raw. If you compare this to say Sheltron (which is currently blocking for 20%), you'll have all 5 hits mitigated but the overall result will be less mitigation because:
Damage Taken:
TBN-> 100k - 30.7k = 69.3k
Vs
Sheltron-> 100k * 20% = 80k

I believe you are supposed to use the skills you mentioned with another skill that has a longer recast, due to how on demand Sheltron, The Blackest Night, Heart of Stone, and Raw Intuition/Nascent Flash.

And the only reason why Nascent Flash and Raw Intuition share a cooldown is because the devs didn't want players to have stack 2 on demand cooldowns at the same time with a cooldown that has a longer recast, something players hated before on WAR with Unchained and Inner Release...

Of course then again tanking in FF14 is all about stretching out your cooldowns for tankbusters...

[Dyvid]

I'm playing DRK casually for role quest but delirium just seems bad. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I use it and just spam bloodspiller over and over. I would have preferred delirium just remove mp cost of Edge/Flood of Darkness so i could weave them in between weapon skill combos.

[shao32]

I'm playing DRK casually for role quest but delirium just seems bad. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I use it and just spam bloodspiller over and over. I would have preferred delirium just remove mp cost of Edge/Flood of Darkness so i could weave them in between weapon skill combos.

nope, you are not doing it wrong, is use delirium and land 5 bloodspillers and get 1000 mp, nothing more nothing less.

[DRKoftheAzure]

So I have an FC leader that is really pushing their luck with their terrible dark knight jokes(the call dark knight "dork knight") and it just further proves that dark knight really needs buffs and a rework and I would rather sacrifice content for DRK rework this early in the expansion... it's just that bad(and before anybody DRK or the jokes, I say both)

[Shurrikhan]

Well if that's the case, then you don't need to use TBN and should spend that MP on Flood or Edge.

It's not a matter of A vs. B. It's a matter of A was free, and now it's not, and thus you have only B. You're not newly trading out TBNs for EoS/FoS. You're just no longer getting viable access to your on-demand mitigation skill.