The DPS is not the Healer

[LaylaTsarra]

I, for one, love it when the tank pulls wall to wall, and multiple waves, even when my gear isn't up to snuff yet. As a healer, I like healing, and large pulls is where I can shine in the healing aspect. If there's small pulls I just have to sit there... ..Doing "Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War....."

That seems far less fun to me.

Good for you. You will by happy cause that's what they do most of the time regardless. I prefer to contribute to the dps and not have to struggle to heal with poor gear and an undergeared tank and mostly undergeared dps as most are still in AF gear but hey that's me. You're entitled to your view and so am I.

As people gear up it's fun to do wall to wall. I enjoy that as well.

[CazzT]

Uhh what? The dps do in fact play into a wall to wall pool. CDs are finite and so are MP for healers. If the trash does not die fast enough you will. Do you even bro?

You misunderstood what I said. I wasn't referring to "wall to wall" pulling. When I said I've never hit this particular wall while tanking, I meant I've never encountered this particular limitation or roablock.

Before getting condescending your remarks, make sure you're not making a fool of yourself first.

People like you make me pray we wall lock every single 3 trash mob, just to force you do the game as intended and not force people to play outside the intended mechanics.

I pray for that day as a MT, I will laugh in glory as you no longer can force your playstyle on others. You wanna be entitled and childish? Then I think the developers should treat yall like children.

As a MT of over a decade across multiple MMOs, I can confidently say you do not qualify as a Tank in any regard. No Tank worthy of the title fears pulling massive groups. If anything, Tanks are usually told calm down because we have a lust for pulling everything in sight.

It's easier and time effective, but is not the intended design.

Look at the first 71 dungeon. Pull wall to wall with 71 gear....not intended. Just because YOU out gear it or get bored and want to speed run doesn't mean your expectations should interfere with someones playstyle when they are playing as intended. As intended, intended by the design not by play base.

You keep saying "intended design". If multi-group pulls were not factored into the intended design, they wouldn't be possible. Your idea of what is intended is clearly not what is actually intended.

[HyoMinPark]

Idk how you guys manage to pull wall to wall in this expansion i found myself struggling to survive pulls like this and i had multiple cases of wipes because of it, it is a lot more difficult to do so today and it feels weird.
Pls give us protect bac.

The mitigation from Protect was laughable. It amounted to very little in the grand scheme of things. The most important things for successful tanking is cooldown management and keeping your gear up-to-date. The same applies to healing.

[gumas]

i actually like it if the tank pull 2 mobs at once (3 maybe too much), especially if tank didnt pop defensive cooldown. no need to pop dot or help dps at all, because tank hp going down so fast i need to keep spamming heal button to tank.

valid reason too if someone still dare to ask why i didnt help dps at all, all i need to say to that person is to watch how fast tank hp going down and ask if you want tank lived or i put puny dps.

[Shurrikhan]

It's easier and time effective, but is not the intended design.

Look at the first 71 dungeon. Pull wall to wall with 71 gear....not intended. Just because YOU out gear it or get bored and want to speed run doesn't mean your expectations should interfere with someones playstyle when they are playing as intended. As intended, intended by the design not by play base.

Intent means nothing. Just as if you make a deadly household substance that looks remarkably like candy, for instance, it doesn't matter if killing children wasn't the intended result -- it's still the result caused by how you've designed what you've made -- if you make dungeons that are nearly as safely and easily, and much more quickly, completed by doing it in one particular method, then your design encourages that method. It does not matter that this was a disastrous failure on your part; it is still what you've done, and what will now be worked around and in accordance with.

[Videra]

It's easier and time effective, but is not the intended design.

Look at the first 71 dungeon. Pull wall to wall with 71 gear....not intended. Just because YOU out gear it or get bored and want to speed run doesn't mean your expectations should interfere with someones playstyle when they are playing as intended. As intended, intended by the design not by play base.

I did pull wall to wall in Holminster Switch in 71 gear. It went absolutely fine because I know how to rotate my cooldowns. What you think of as intent is nonsensical at best. Job effectiveness varies by players having a pulse. Just as well, I'm not 'interfering' with anyone's playstyle by making them use their considerably smaller AOE rotations, or heaven forbid I ask the healer to put in as much effort as I do, if needed.

[Fluffernuff]

This has all gotten really hostile really quickly.


I generally ask what kind of pulls people want in dungeons. literally 99.99% of time, the healer or DPS are either completely silent for 2 minutes and get impatient, or say something along the lines of "I dont care." or "It doesn't matter."

.....the other 0.01%? "Pull everything please."


And yet it's rude to just assume. Alright.

[NessaWyvern]

I usually tell the tank if they seem apprehensive, "pull as much as you want, and we'll see how it goes " It works well because you set the tone that you don't mind wipes too much and it actually encourages the tank to pull more. I haven't had a wipe to tanks pulling wall to wall this expansion yet, so it seems to be working well. When I get a feel for each tanks squishiness I switch to dpsing more, and using ogcd healing skills more.

[Eli85]

If you have to have a discussion, that is a surefire way to spot a problematic group, to say the least. That said, completely disagree with the OP that it's a tank and healer decision. You're half the group; not the majority. You aren't a dictator.

That said, unless either the tank or healer is really, really bad, the correct answer is ALWAYS large pulls.

[NanaWiloh]

Ran armourt last night tank did big pulls. I spammed Benefic two with Cd's and at times the damage was so high the tanks HP barely moved. More then once I had to hit essentially dignity cause benefic two+cd's was not getting his hp up. No member of a dungeon group should be struggling to do their job. Tank,healer or dps does not matter if you want to do big pulls fine use party finder. Using Duty finder means your going to get stuck with RANDOM people who may or may not be capable or wanting of big pulls.

Its everyones responsibility to speak up in a dungeon about what pulls the group should do to get everyone on the same page to spare people frustration and failure.