The DPS is not the Healer

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AS a default DPS player and tank on off days 'd just say this. As a monk that recently got to 80... .I'm bored to tears when people pull slow, I rage out when I'm the only one AOEing.... and yes.. that means healers not aoeing too.. I've seen it. I cry when big pulls happen but the tank doesn't do his job and I'm popping fist of earth, I'm screaming when both the healer AND tank die cause they think they can handle a large pull but die cause they have wet blankets for gear. But when a tank pulls big, and the healer can keep him alive, and I get to rockbreaker, hadoken, and spinning bird kick my way to freedom and hit those top DPS charts, I walk away from that like the mother fucker main character... cause I AM. i don't need you as a tank or healer to tell me I'm useless... what I need you to do is your JOB.. do it well so I can be badass. Keep the mobs on YOU, Healer keep that tank from dying to being hit in the face and let me.. the worthless DPS do my job. to kill everything possible.

My name is Sony LTD... and I like big pulls when the tank is geared and smart, when the healer is the same.. and when my partner in crime.. my co DPS aoes with me. I want to be tested on my dps.. so test me! I'm a MONK DAMMIT. Let me HADOKEN EVERYTHING. Just don't make me pop fist of earth cause you can't handle the pull....

[DavidIven]

as a dps main, during my journey from 70 to 80, I havent met any tank or healer cant handle big pulls, even healers can put solid dps. If you have problems maybe, just git gud?

[Sarevok_Thordin]

When I first saw this thread I thought "Is this about all the support healing I've had to do as a RDM?"

Yep I've had to do that a lot, good for commends.

[Bright-Flower]

Yeah when I tank the only person who's oppinion I'm interested is the healer. They're the one that has to work to keep me up. (Well, I manage cooldowns etc of course, but they're the ones healing me.)

If a DPS is adamant about not doing big pulls I guess they can 'veto' by not aoeing at all because when I notice dps that don't aoe I go back to single pulls.

As far as 'you pull it you tank it' goes, I'm usually doing big pulls anyway unless the healer does not want big pulls. If a dps is pulling extra when the healer doesn't want it, that's vote kick time.

I tend to be pretty flexible with pull speed. When you queue in with random people not all of them will want to speed run and do big pulls. Some people may be new to the duty, or their current job. They may be recently returned from a break. They may have net issues slowing them down. They may have anxiety issues. Or just not be very good. My stance is that if someone is in such a hurry that you're going to demand fast/big pulls and be angry or vote kick or pull for the tank if they don't do it, form a pre made and queue in. With randoms you need to be flexible.

[SturmChurro]

I'll tell you guys what I tell the dps/healer when I am the tank. "I don't do baby pulls". The only time I tone it back is when the healer seriously cannot actually handle the pulls, and that is entirely their fault since I have done them so many times. As I say it, "trial by fire". I'm going to pull big and YOU are going to adapt, they won't learn to do aoe unless they are forced to learn. Holding back just promotes this behavior. If I get kicked, I get kicked. I'll find a new group.

Healers most definitely NEED to be doing dps, especially when there are some dead weight dps that are being carried. I was progging Titania for a friend of mine last night, and if we didn't have the healers making up for the lack of dps from the melee we would most definitely NOT killed before enrage - and we didn't for several tries. Even if the DPS can pull their weight, the healers should still be doing DPS wherever possible to make the fight end faster. More mechanics means more chances for mistakes.

[Chalbee]

I'll tell you guys what I tell the dps/healer when I am the tank. "I don't do baby pulls"....I'm going to pull big and YOU are going to adapt

Or, just spit-balling here, you could remember that the other three characters on the screen are also controlled by real people? The other three players aren't there to serve you, entitled swine. If you want to treat the other party members like NPCs, use the trust system.

[SturmChurro]

Or, just spit-balling here, you could remember that the other three characters on the screen are also controlled by real people? The other three players aren't there to serve you, entitled swine. If you want to treat the other party members like NPCs, use the trust system.

Never used the trust system once. Other players should be pulling their weight instead of wasting other people's time not utilizing their skill set. An aoe rotation by a dps is clicking different skills instead of single target. It is not asking for much.

Name calling is against the forum rules. You're lucky I do not report people.

[Chalbee]

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No, it's not asking too much, provided you actually ASK, but it sounds more like you are TELLING the other three people in your party that it's your way or the highway.

How sad that you have no qualms about treating other players like your personal playthings, but you can't handle a wee bit of name calling. Another tank who expects the rest of us to worship the ground you walk on. How tired.

[SturmChurro]

No, it's not asking too much, provided you actually ASK, but it sounds more like you are TELLING the other three people in your party that it's your way or the highway.

How sad that you have no qualms about treating other players like your personal playthings, but you can't handle a wee bit of name calling. Another tank who expects the rest of us to worship the ground you walk on. How tired.

Yeah, because not single targeting in large pulls is asking for too much. Give me a break. You have it backwards, THOSE players should have consideration for the rest of the group and utilize their skillset, and use their aoe combos. Classes got a lot of aoe added with this expansion, and there is absolutely no excuse for them to not be using it. Not to mention the removal of TP. Not using aoe during a large pull makes it more difficult for the healer, and the tank.

[Hash_Browns]

No, it's not asking too much, provided you actually ASK, but it sounds more like you are TELLING the other three people in your party that it's your way or the highway.

How sad that you have no qualms about treating other players like your personal playthings, but you can't handle a wee bit of name calling. Another tank who expects the rest of us to worship the ground you walk on. How tired.

I don't think expecting players to use skills is a lot, or that people should have to bend over backwards & ask them to actually put in any effort.