[SPOILERS]Considering that new Minfilia feature.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

This is the best suited forum for my thread I could find. Its gonna be a long and spoilerish whine of a pissed player so if you are not interested in my miserable moaning please go to some other thread.

But yeah pissed as hell. I considered it to be the best story from all expansions so far, maybe on par with story from Heavensward up until Dragonsong War. With Archbishop and all that. Maybe even better than that. And I enjoyed it very much, even been hating those times when you have gaps between your level and your next mainquest level so rushed my leveling everytime I need to hit a new level to continue my storyline as soon as possible.

It was like that up until they introduced this new Minfilia feature, that in order to obrain Oracle powers one should absorb another. And at this point I knew that old Minfilia wont win, considering all the unjustified hate she recieved from players, hate up the ***, hate up to that point that they got rid of her all the way back at the end of ARR and replaced her just now with that... child. I knew it and still had some glimmer of hope that love story between Thancred and old Minfilia will end well. It was such a breath of fresh air actually, throughout the story, the main characters were not bonded by anything but a sense of duty and the task of saving the world. It was like just a party of individuals who got together just to kill all the bad guys. And now we have two who actually love eachother. Why not let them progress their relationships? But no, of course they will kill her for delectation of all the players who hate her and let that child absorb her. SE being SE just as always.

And what I hated most of all is Thancred reaction. It was like wow, he goes in typical "Carry on with your duty, I will protect you and put my trust in you like Minfilia I love did"... wt* dude, that child just spoiled a chance for your beloved one to return and you give her that heartwarming speech? Not even a tear dropped, not even... something?

And I know lore and story wise its a good decision maybe, they getting rid of character whos been hated by majority of players and quite frankly lost the value for the whole plot. But Im pissed off that they killed a character I loved the most since ARR and been having hope that she will return. It just killed the main story for me, dont want to progress it anymore. Or might skip all the scenes that new "Minfilia" are in cuz now I just hate her.

Sorry for this rant but felt like speaking this out. Who knows maybe theres some old Minfilia fans who feels the same... which I doubt.

EDIT: So with this discussion we established that Thancred and Minfilia wasnt in a love relationships and they were more like brother/sister type of rela. Thats okay though I can still argue on that, especially judging by the words thancred said into the sky after battle with Ranjit.

[HyoMinPark]

Personally, I thought Ryne was far more useful than Minfilia ever was. I also thought it was high-time she stepped out permanently. She hasn’t had any major role since 2.55b—only a brief cameo in 3.4.

[EdwinLi]

Ryne was never meant to replace Minfilia but become a separate character that follows her own path in life.

The entire point of Ryne's story is to become a person not "Minfilia" but her own self free of being compared to Minfilia.

It is sad that Minfilia could not be saved but it was expected since she has play little role in the story since her departure in 3.X and it fit her personality that she will not be selfish enough to sacrifice a young girl of her own future just to live when she has tried many times in the past but failed because of their role as the Oracles.

At this point we can basically consider Ryne as Minfilia's daughter( or little sister since Thancred is Ryne's father figure).

[Sorimachi87]

Rynes character development was actually one of the things that amazed me in Shadowbringers

[Lemuel81]

Rynes character development was actually one of the things that amazed me in Shadowbringers

I never liked thancred much till shadowbringers, I felt his character development was nice as well.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

Ryne was never meant to replace Minfilia but become a separate character that follows her own path in life.

The entire point of Ryne's story is to become a person not "Minfilia" but her own self free of being compared to Minfilia.

It is sad that Minfilia could not be saved but it was expected since she has play little role in the story since her departure in 3.X and it fit her personality that she will not be selfish enough to sacrifice a young girl of her own future just to live when she has tried many times in the past but failed because of their role as the Oracles.

At this point we can basically consider Ryne as Minfilia's daughter( or little sister since Thancred is Ryne's father figure).

Idk for some reason forum keeping logging me out, guess its maintenance or something.

But yeah like I mentioned that maybe its a good decision lore wise to get rid of old Minfilia since she lost the value to the story long ago. I just got too emotionally attached to her and her unfair fate and been storing a fate that someday they will revive her that this reveal was like a fatal blow to me. Cant get myself to progress my main story anymore after that.

And yes, you mean its not selfish to spit upon wishes of those who wishes nothing more than to see her again? Ones that love her and care not about her duty? Thancred, F'lhaminn, other Scions? I think its way more selfish to do this to them.

[HyoMinPark]

Idk for some reason forum keeping logging me out, guess its maintenance or something.

No maintenance; just the forums have just been buggy the last couple of days for a bunch of people.

But yeah like I mentioned that maybe its a good decision lore wise to get rid of old Minfilia since she lost the value to the story long ago. I just got too emotionally attached to her and her unfair fate and been storing a fate that someday they will revive her that this reveal was like a fatal blow to me. Cant get myself to progress my main story anymore after that.

And yes, you mean its not selfish to spit upon wishes of those who wishes nothing more than to see her again? Ones that love her and care not about her duty? Thancred, F'lhaminn, other Scions? I think its way more selfish to do this to them.

Conversely, for Minfilia to make a “proper” return, she would have had to snuff out the life of Ryne in order to do so. I think the story made it clear that they understood her decision to not essentially take the life of another girl to further her purpose, but rather give Ryne the power of the Oracle as well as the power over her own future. Honestly, it’s the best thing Minfilia could have done.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

Conversely, for Minfilia to make a “proper” return, she would have had to snuff out the life of Ryne in order to do so. I think the story made it clear that they understood her decision to not essentially take the life of another girl to further her purpose, but rather give Ryne the power of the Oracle as well as the power over her own future. Honestly, it’s the best thing Minfilia could have done.

Depends on how you look at it I guess. I really liked her and I think that she didnt deserve the fate she gets and all the hate she gets. So its not the best thing for me.

But yeah, think I should quit moaning cuz changes nothing. Only changed that on the contrary of what they tried to do, they made me hate Ryne. For taking a part in killing character I liked.

[NanaWiloh]

Depends on how you look at it I guess. I really liked her and I think that she didnt deserve the fate she gets and all the hate she gets. So its not the best thing for me.

But yeah, think I should quit moaning cuz changes nothing. Only changed that on the contrary of what they tried to do, they made me hate Ryne. For taking a part in killing character I liked.

Its not Ryne's fault though Minfilia had be gone for 100yrs by the time we arrived at the first. Minfilia was no different then Arbert a ghost who's only way to return to life is take anothers life.

[Wiccan026]

I've disliked Minfilia since I met her, which is sad considering the fact that if you look back or talk to people in 1.0 they had a different view on her. It mostly had to due with how they handled the character. Now I didn't wish her dead, although I didn't mind back in Heavensward when I thought she was "gone for good" because I thought they would just focus on characters I liked. Also, while everyone's allowed to have their own opinions here are somethings you should think about:

1. Thancred said several times, this expansion touched further on it, that he had no love interest in Minfilia. He cared about her, yes, and you could argue that he did love her but he wasn't in love with her. So there was no love story between Minfilia and Thancred in the first place. We get more of the fact of how he felt when he's talking about how he raised her during the second visit to Amh Areng. How he felt like he did a poor job and all that. Ryne was his "do-over" and not only was it good for his character development but it's something that Minfilia, due to her personality, would have wanted him to do. He also didn't want to admit anything to Ryne before the decision was made because the choice needed to be hers (if she didn't feel comfortable or wanted to truly surrender all Minfilia would have taken up the mantle again). Which kind of steps into point 2.

2. Ryne didn't help kill Minfilia that's the gross exaggeration. Minfilia was a part of her life due to Minfila's emmisary nature (which basically made her a ride along in the first place) and Minfilia chose not to take her over. Minfilia was sick and tired of forcing girls to do the work that needed to be done which is why she chose to give her the full power if Ryne wanted to actually live her life.