How do calamities work, again?

[Sylvain]

I just don't understand something.
If à flood occurred on all rejoined shard. Why didn't the 13th (now named the void) joined? The explanation used to be '' a flood of darkness happened making it un rejoins le '' (#useless).
But then we learn that other shard have been flooded and did rejoin.

Soo... I don't get it

[JeanneOrnitier]

I just don't understand something.
If à flood occurred on all rejoined shard. Why didn't the 13th (now named the void) joined? The explanation used to be '' a flood of darkness happened making it un rejoins le '' (#useless).
But then we learn that other shard have been flooded and did rejoin.

Soo... I don't get it

The Flood of Darkness on the Thirteenth was too much. The other shards rejoined before they were too flooded all the way.
The Flood of Light on the First would also have been too much if Minfilia hadn't interfered back during HW, so Elidibus was probably counting on Urianger getting involved and asking Minfilia for help.

I'm curious to see what the other shards were like in their floods. Was whatever shard had the Flood of Water seeing people transform into sea monsters like Leviathan's tempered followers do?

[Sylvain]

The Flood of Darkness on the Thirteenth was too much. The other shards rejoined before they were too flooded all the way.
The Flood of Light on the First would also have been too much if Minfilia hadn't interfered back during HW, so Elidibus was probably counting on Urianger getting involved and asking Minfilia for help.

I'm curious to see what the other shards were like in their floods. Was whatever shard had the Flood of Water seeing people transform into sea monsters like Leviathan's tempered followers do?

I wonder too, it'd be nice to know at some point.

So in order for a rejoining to occur, not only do you need to heavily tilt an element on a shard, but also cause a calamity at the exact same time before the shard gets entirely flooded.
Damn, that must require so insane precision.

So technically, bahamut calamity was suppose to rejoin the first right? Since both calamity happened nearly at the same time

[Ilenya]

The Flood of Light on the First would also have been too much if Minfilia hadn't interfered back during HW, so Elidibus was probably counting on Urianger getting involved and asking Minfilia for help.

Was this ever actually mentioned anywhere? After all, the Black Rose had been initially developed back when Gaius had control over some things, so it's not as if it couldn't have been planned at the same time as Dalamud. I'm not sure if double Calamities are possible, but I imagine if they were, a two for one deal would suit the Ascians just fine.

[Hezzlocks]

The Flood of Darkness on the Thirteenth was too much. The other shards rejoined before they were too flooded all the way.
The Flood of Light on the First would also have been too much if Minfilia hadn't interfered back during HW, so Elidibus was probably counting on Urianger getting involved and asking Minfilia for help.

Actually, I don't think he was. The Warriors of Darkness arrived in the Source *while the flood was happening*, but were quite content with toying around with the WoL and taking the long way around to causing a Calamity via aggravating all the Beast tribes into summoning stronger Primals. That is, at least, until the WoL stopped the Garuda summoning, foiling their plans, and Urianger convinced them that killing the WoL would speed up the process in causing a calamity.

Their initial casual approach, alongside our new understanding of time between the stars, suggests to me that at that moment, time was moving very slowly on the First in comparison to the Source. While the flow of time was in this state, the WoDs had plenty of time to cause a calamity before the flood could overtake the First completely. In fact this could very well have been going on ever since Lahabrea attempted to cause a calamity with Ultima weapon.

If you consider this possibility, then Minfilia's involvement would have been unexpected, but not entirely unwelcome, as until she halted the flood they would have been working on a strict time limit. Minfilia's actions therefore would have foiled Elidibus' plot, *but* also given him all the time he needs to create a calamity to usher the rejoining.

That is, of course, until we arrive on the First, kill Emet-Selch, and remove a great deal of corrupted Light from the shard. Now, I personally don't think the shard is out of the woods yet. The Eden raid will very likely, imo, go deeper into the Sin Eater lore and reveal the source of the Sin Eaters, which means the First wouldn't be truly safe until the Eden raid is dealt with. But things have gotten so messed up that Elidibus clearly has no idea what will happen next. He's winging it now.

[Jandor]

I just don't understand something.
If à flood occurred on all rejoined shard. Why didn't the 13th (now named the void) joined? The explanation used to be '' a flood of darkness happened making it un rejoins le '' (#useless).
But then we learn that other shard have been flooded and did rejoin.

Soo... I don't get it

What I got was that they overdid it in the void without creating the right conditions on the source. Was the first attempt after all, they weren't sure what they were doing.

The other shards, they aspected them one way or another and made sure the source had a crack in it for the flood to rush through.

The void, they just messed it up without giving the resultant mess anywhere to go, and now they can't get it to go anywhere because it's just a stagnant mass of useless void.

That's how I interpreted it anyway.

[Ilenya]

The void, they just messed it up without giving the resultant mess anywhere to go, and now they can't get it to go anywhere because it's just a stagnant mass of useless void.

If memory serves, the Void no longer has any Aether to send to the source. I imagine there was a point where there was the proper buildup of the right aspected aether, but with no way to get to the Source (Not prepared properly), it all eventually got eaten by what became the Voidsent.

Which makes me wonder what would happen if we just sicced the Voidsent on worlds experiencing a Flood. They'd probably lose, but it's a funny thought.

[Dualblade]

If memory serves, the Void no longer has any Aether to send to the source. I imagine there was a point where there was the proper buildup of the right aspected aether, but with no way to get to the Source (Not prepared properly), it all eventually got eaten by what became the Voidsent.

Which makes me wonder what would happen if we just sicced the Voidsent on worlds experiencing a Flood. They'd probably lose, but it's a funny thought.

Bloody as all hell is what it would be. Better to send the Flood to the Void if anything, atleast if no one but monsters live there at all. Course we'll have to see more of the Void to know for sure.