Dark Knight level 80 Job quest - "Our Closure". Closure from what? (Spoilers, kinda)

[VenKitsune]

Can someone explain to me exactly what this quest meant for the overarching DRK storyline?
Both the quest name "Our Closure" and a dialogue option towards the end implies closure...but what from? What does the flower represent?
The Dialogue with our darkness seems extremely cryptic and didn't seem to mean much.

In the quest, we get a letter from an NPC we met during the 30-50 DRK questline, the one that Fray insulted, and find out that he's turned his life around and is a better person, and wanted to thank us. (On that note, why do we have to call our Darkness out with the words "Fray" in say chat, even though we know it hasnt been Fray since lvl 50?) We then take a flower her gives us, and seemingly give it to our inner darkness....for...some reason? Then they babble about how he/she was never needed...which again, doesnt make sense, its not a case of need, we learned as much at level 50. Am i reading this right?

I can't say the meaning behind the quest made much sense to me, and i suppose i was wondering if it did to anyone else, and if someone could make better sense of it. Is this just a lore inconsistency and/or bad writing? Or was there some kind of deeper meaning to it?

[NealSnow]

I'm there with you... ARR to SB all made sense. This one I'm lost on the meaning. Didn't seem as clear as prior quests themes. My only guess is we have come to terms with our darkside? Or our darkside came to terms with us.

[VenKitsune]

I'm there with you... ARR to SB all made sense. This one I'm lost on the meaning. Didn't seem as clear as prior quests themes. My only guess is we have come to terms with our darkside? Or our darkside came to terms with us.

Hmmm...Maybe?

Thing is that there wasnt ever really a need for "coming to terms" with it, is there? By simple virtue of you being a dark knight, you've come to terms with it. in the level 50 quest he/she literally says something along the lines of "i am, will always and have been a part of you". Your darkness isn't a separate entity, its an integral part of the WoL's character, not only as a person but in their fighting style. The WoL's dark feelings, no matter how deeply buried are used and manifested by aether, and gives rise to Dark magic (Not Black magic, thats a separate thing), our main method from which to fight. Kinda similar to how Warriors utilise anger, and use aether to manifest it and strengthen their attacks because no matter how angry someone might be no amount of it will strengthen their attacks, that's limited by physical strength.

I'm a little fearful for what this means in the current and future DRK storyline, but also a little curious.

[Dualblade]

Your darkside gained a sentience of its own when you gained the soul crystal, or at least over the course of the 30-50 quests of it. Really though the whole thing with Fray is the sort of thing thats mind screwy to begin with.

Personally I take it as, you don't need Fray anymore (if you ever truly needed them to begin with), but that doesn't mean they dont matter, just as all the lives you touched that even when you didn't know them and even when you had negative times with them. Its very possible that Fray won't show up in future DRK quests (and the next set will most likely be about Sidguru and Rielle regardless) but whether you choose that to mean Fray is gone for good or just now peacefully a part of you is, well, up to you.

Also as an FYI the very final journal entry notes that the "Esteem" we can summon starting at lvl 80 is NOT our Fray, just a little trick we managed to learn.

[VenKitsune]

Your darkside gained a sentience of its own when you gained the soul crystal, or at least over the course of the 30-50 quests of it. Really though the whole thing with Fray is the sort of thing thats mind screwy to begin with.

I'm not sure this is the case, as i laid out in my last reply to another person. As i understand it, your "Darkside" is simply a part of the WoL's personality, part of their being. While yes the Soul crystal did give rise to how we know it, it has always been a part of us. Its simply that Dark Magic and its use allowed us to manifest our darkest impulses and views on the world using Aether willing or no, similar to how a summoner can manifest their knowledge about primals to summon Egi's.

Personally I take it as, you don't need Fray anymore (if you ever truly needed them to begin with), but that doesn't mean they dont matter, just as all the lives you touched that even when you didn't know them and even when you had negative times with them. Its very possible that Fray won't show up in future DRK quests (and the next set will most likely be about Sidguru and Rielle regardless) but whether you choose that to mean Fray is gone for good or just now peacefully a part of you is, well, up to you.

I'm not sure its a factor of need. As i said, as i understand it Fray (Or rather, our darkside. Fray was simply the identity he/she used in order to deceive us and try and take control) is a part of us. Its basically a manifestation of a part of us, and thus being a dark knight and "Fray" and one in the same. I suppose there is some elements of interpretation to it, but i cant help but feel like it should of been a little clearer.

Also as an FYI the very final journal entry notes that the "Esteem" we can summon starting at lvl 80 is NOT our Fray, just a little trick we managed to learn.

It's interesting you bring up the journal. I hadn't even thought to read it.

I'm reading it now - Where exactly does it say that Esteem is that? I dont see any mention of it.

Interstingly enough, there are some parts of this journal entry that are seemingly written by "Fray", written as follows
"But if you'rew reading this, then you know how the story goes, don't you? So now comes the choice: hold the crystal close that we may enjoy these moments together. Or put it away and pretend i was never a part of it. That i was never really here."
and
"You say a few words, and offer a flower in a memory of...a memory. Now go, and don't look back. Sidurgu is waiting for you with Rielle in the Forgotten knight when you return. He asks you what you found, what it was all for, and you reply-"


I'm not sure how to take that, to be honest. It would, however, sadden me to think that this is the last we see of "Fray" - Afterall, its one of the most integral parts of the DRK storyline, and there is so much yet to explore about it. Dropping this plot device so early seems a little silly, and a missed opportunity.

[TheSMBZfan1]

It says in the Unending Journey when you look at the quest 'Our Closure'. At the bottom, after the part about Sid's reply, it reads this:

'Time to go. I don't know when we'll do this again-[I]if[I] we'll do this again. The little trick you've learned doesn't count, you know. But even if this is our end, it won't change what we had. I love you more than you'll ever know. Be well.'

I'm not sure what to make of it entirely, I'm batting in the dark with this one, but I think this is Fray accepting that the WoL's Darkside has been embraced in a way, and not in the way they originally thought back in Heavensward. But to them, that's OK, because they have come to terms with being you and who you are, you and your Darkside truly fight as one and Fray will love you for it no matter what, because ultimately, this is who you are and you finally are completely at terms with that. The flower was in memory of who you and Fray used to be, a tribute to your start as a Dark Knight. It is a rather sweet way to end to this aspect of being a Dark Knight, you and your Darkside see the world through the same eyes and even though the odds of you seeing each other again are slim, you know that whatever happens, you both have each other and like family, you'll love each other to the bitter end.

[Dualblade]

I'm not sure this is the case, as i laid out in my last reply to another person. As i understand it, your "Darkside" is simply a part of the WoL's personality, part of their being. While yes the Soul crystal did give rise to how we know it, it has always been a part of us. Its simply that Dark Magic and its use allowed us to manifest our darkest impulses and views on the world using Aether willing or no, similar to how a summoner can manifest their knowledge about primals to summon Egi's.



I'm not sure its a factor of need. As i said, as i understand it Fray (Or rather, our darkside. Fray was simply the identity he/she used in order to deceive us and try and take control) is a part of us. Its basically a manifestation of a part of us, and thus being a dark knight and "Fray" and one in the same. I suppose there is some elements of interpretation to it, but i cant help but feel like it should of been a little clearer.




It's interesting you bring up the journal. I hadn't even thought to read it.

I'm reading it now - Where exactly does it say that Esteem is that? I dont see any mention of it.

Interstingly enough, there are some parts of this journal entry that are seemingly written by "Fray", written as follows
"But if you'rew reading this, then you know how the story goes, don't you? So now comes the choice: hold the crystal close that we may enjoy these moments together. Or put it away and pretend i was never a part of it. That i was never really here."
and
"You say a few words, and offer a flower in a memory of...a memory. Now go, and don't look back. Sidurgu is waiting for you with Rielle in the Forgotten knight when you return. He asks you what you found, what it was all for, and you reply-"


I'm not sure how to take that, to be honest. It would, however, sadden me to think that this is the last we see of "Fray" - Afterall, its one of the most integral parts of the DRK storyline, and there is so much yet to explore about it. Dropping this plot device so early seems a little silly, and a missed opportunity.

I would highly suggest going back and reading the 30-50 and 60-70 journal entries as well if this is the first you are learning of the DRK journal entries btw.