Thread: 5.0 WAR is a disappointment

Warrior was streamlined...into boredom. Its just not very exciting anymore. I miss the switch between defiance and deliverance. While 100% deliverance was optimal, it was nice have the defiance skills as a choice for survival.

When i play warrior now it just feels like im doing nothing but waiting for inner release to come off cooldown. If the boss disappears while under IR it just feels so bad ~_~

Some people need to step off the hyperbole train at the next available stop.

Holmgang is fine. If you're popping it 1-8 seconds before something dies it's pretty much a wasted CD at that point anyways. The absolute only time I've ever encountered this issue was Shinryu Ex trying to kill the heart and holmgang the TB at the same time. Literally one occasion in the entire game that most of us have actually experienced. One occasion that could absolutely be fixed by (at that time) switching back to the boss. AKA, having some awareness about the encounter. "But it's not in the tooltip!" A lot of things aren't in tooltips, that's why you play the game and hopefully learn a thing or 2 along the way. Back in the day this used to just be called a "learning curve".

NF is just a divisive ability because self-healing has been WARs shtick since inception. They took away the majority of our baked in self-healing (after taking away our on demand self healing like Bloodbath) and replaced it with an OT support ability. The problem is that NF is actually too powerful. It's such a good self-healing ability, on a job that's always been known for it's self-healing, but it's relegated as a "support" ability that can only be used in groups - instead of being a true self-healing ability. It's just a divisive design. Aside from that, the fact that it's more effective than RI under certain conditions alludes to some actual thinking that's involved in while trying to optimize your WAR play. But same as the FC/IC interplay Lucy mentions, it's instead written off as one of many "issues" with an otherwise "boring" job to play.

Saying that NF was poorly designed as a support ability is a valid criticism, it's really trying to do too much. But there's more ways to "fix it" than simply removing the target requirement. This suggestion is just the easiest solution that leads to the most desired outcome, with any notion of balance being damned. I mean, sure I'd like to heal myself 50k every 25 sec, but that basically means it's all NF is going to be used for. RIP having a support ability. If we're being honest then there has to be some give and take, and if you're not interested in that - then at least be honest about not being honest.

Originally Posted by millktea

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Don't bully me if you have nothing to contribute. I don't care about your memes, and I have no interest in your lackluster personal attacks.

btw, since you want to play officer: I don't answer questions. 5.

Originally Posted by millktea

TL, DR Stop defending a broken invulnerability. Using a macro proves its bad. Stop blaming the player for an ability or skill that isn't programmed properly[/B]

Nah, I'll complain when it actually effects something I have no control over. Until then, it's a game of planning your next attack. If you can't plan properly it's on you - not the game. There's exactly nothing with Holmgang that you can't fix yourself.

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Nah, I'll complain when it actually effects something I have no control over. Until then, it's a game of planning your next attack. If you can't plan properly it's on you - not the game. There's exactly nothing with Holmgang that you can't fix yourself.

Wrong, you just want to blame the player rather than acknowledging that the devs made a mistake.

It is not the players' responsibility to fix Dev's lack of programming, its SE's responsibility.

There is absolutely problems with holmgang and it isn't a player problem. Having one tank needing to run up to a boss and then run away just to have it used far away isn't a player problem.

Holmgang invulnerability falling off when the tooltip never states that the invuln is based on the bind means it's an error. The invulnerability needs to be a straight invulnerability, but they programmed it as of it is still a bind/ anti-knockback.

Like seriously, if you are too stupid to have enough reading comprehension to understand how wrong you are, you need to work on fixing that.

Holmgang is not fine. There is no reason ONE TANK has to do this extra critical thinking with not enough gain over the other tanks. The bind is the issue even though holmgang is not supposed to be a bind anymore. Like, this is so brainless.

Justify why a tank needs to run to a boss like that when they cannot be bound. Justify why the invulnerability's duration is conditional. Saying "I can make a macro to patch it" is NOT an answer. And nothing you say will make it justified.

Hallowed Ground, Living Dead, Superboile all have distinct durations for their invulnerabilities, respectively 10s, 10 to 20s, and 8s. Holmgang can be anywhere from 1 to 8s. There is NO JUSTIFICATION in this. There are exactly many things wrong with holmgang. You cannot control that invuln falling off the enemy. You are wrong

I find it humorous that you ignored all the things I said.

Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre

>"NF is not used as MT?"
I quite literally never said that, so you might wanna stop straight out lying.

APM and CPM can be used for the exact same thing, and the game we're talking about is an MMO, so again, arguing irrelevant semantics just to argue irrelevant semantics.

As to the rest of the nonsense you spouted, much of which you clearly don't even understand, I honestly can't even believe I have to explain this stuff, but I will. Thing is though, since you want to bring up the whole "WAR isn't popular because everyone wants it changed" strawman, here's something that proves that to be a fallacy and that those two statements have no correlation. People are (seemingly) very vocal about wanting a rework to DRK, yet that is still the second most popular tank by an extremely significant margin. It's almost as if possibly, just possibly, WAR isn't as popular because axes and the general "berserker" thematic just isn't a very popular aesthetic, and this would also conveniently be an accurate assessment. I will repeat as I have said many times in this thread, and seemingly will continue to have to do so; if you don't like the job then feel free to not play it. That is exactly why we have four different tanks to play, because there's one for everyone's preferred playstyle. Funny how that works, huh?

In all fairness one reason why DRK is so popular is due to it being the story job this time round. Reminds me of back in HW when everyone and their grandmother was a DRG.

Originally Posted by EpicOverlord85

In all fairness one reason why DRK is so popular is due to it being the story job this time round. Reminds me of back in HW when everyone and their grandmother was a DRG.

That has exactly zero correlation to why the job is so popular in EX/savage/ultimate.