Forgiven Venery & Forgiven Obscenity Glam

[TankHunter678]

Tesleen turned in a matter of minutes, and someone like absolute dominion like Vauthry/Innocence should be able to turn someone and rein them in faster than a kuribu.

Its a matter of if Vauthry had time for it since with the warbler we hear that they are going to start planning for her ascension. Not long after we get the event regarding the Mystel who has Vauthry's attention.

Its far more likely that Forgiven Obscenity predates the warbler by a considerable amount of time and likely had been fed a lot of people, especially given her relatively power level of being almost equal to a lightwarden herself according to Ryne. It is far more likely for the warbler to have wound up as a Venery... or meol.

[Sigiria]

I know the theory, and it doesn't really hold up. As mentioned, the stripes on her face are exactly as that of a Mystel, and time-wise it simply doesn't add up. The window between last speaking to the warbler and hearing blue haired whatshisname scream as Vaultry tells him to cut his arm off is way too small for her to get ascended.
Also, if you run mt Gulg with trusts, Minifilia will note how Obscenity has almost as much light/power as a light warden before fighting her (There is also her boss title in the German version which states her as being Vautry's consort, but that doesn't have to say much, since it's just 'sin eater' in the Japanese one)

After you talk to her for the last time, you've got time to report everything you've learned about the city to Alphinaud, then he have the time to paint a whole freaking painting of the couple, then you hear the scream. I'd say the time frame is pretty loose and don't indicate all these event take place back to back in a matter of minutes.

[Bright-Flower]

I don't think there would have been time for her to be ascended that quickly and if it were, I feel like we probably would have seen it in person. The way I interpreted things is she was ascended at some point in between us leaving Eulmore and returning to it to liberate it. It's a neat theory but I just can't quite buy into the idea that FO is actually the au ra.

It's not that it would take a long time for Vaulthry to do it, it just doesn't strike me that the two went to Vaulthry RIGHT THAT SECOND to do it. Maybe if we had left Eulmore and come back.

[Daralii]

I don't think there would have been time for her to be ascended that quickly and if it were, I feel like we probably would have seen it in person. The way I interpreted things is she was ascended at some point in between us leaving Eulmore and returning to it to liberate it. It's a neat theory but I just can't quite buy into the idea that FO is actually the au ra.

It's not that it would take a long time for Vaulthry to do it, it just doesn't strike me that the two went to Vaulthry RIGHT THAT SECOND to do it. Maybe if we had left Eulmore and come back.

Didn't her master say that the lift was open and he'd use the opportunity to take her to Vauthry right away?

[Lewtskie]

After you talk to her for the last time, you've got time to report everything you've learned about the city to Alphinaud, then he have the time to paint a whole freaking painting of the couple, then you hear the scream. I'd say the time frame is pretty loose and don't indicate all these event take place back to back in a matter of minutes.

An exaggeration. He didn't paint the portrait, he did a rough sketch, as he says himself, all while you're running about. This is the same level of detail of a rough sketch he's done in SB which didn't take long at all either.

Didn't her master say that the lift was open and he'd use the opportunity to take her to Vauthry right away?

"Then I shall have a word with Lord Vauthry, and arrange for your ascension."

That's all he said. This eludes he would be going through the necessary channels to have an audience with him and arrange the ascension.

[Rolanberries]

Do the sin eaters have to resemble the person who was transformed into one?

[Magicaty]

I would like to state an opinion regarding the songbird's fate.

The songbird character and her patron disappear immediately after that cutscene, right, and since it mattered to him that the lift was available at that time it makes sense for him to have simply brought her up along to have an audience right away. The alternative would be that they wandered off somewhere else for some reason which doesn't make sense to me, why prolong things? The patron seemed to want to do this right away. He would have been dismissed after the initial audience and so she would have just been 'gone' to him afterwards. It is sad that he missed her afterwards but in the heat of the moment he wanted to offer her the best he could at the time.

We know the transformation can literally take seconds to happen. I think it would necessary to allow an additional 10-15 minutes of Vaulthry pontificating before and afterwards, since he is a blowhard, but it would still be very quick. Alphinaud's sketch was detailed enough to require a fair amount of time and we know that he was all the while going out of his way to slow things down wherever possible.

We also know that violently and forcible transformed people generally do not even look like people any longer. The situation for the songbird may be different though since she specifically went in expecting to go through some type of transition, it being called 'ascension' which implies being lifted up into a higher state. It is plausible that someone who is transformed while in such a positive, welcoming state of mind opens themselves up to the power and that results in them becoming both more powerful and more classically angelic in appearance.

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While the story does not explicitly say this is what happened, I prefer to think that she met her end only after first becoming a strikingly beautiful dungeon boss, and not by being melted down into sin bread. That idea is simply horrifying. Given how neatly the side plot of the songbird lines up with 'angelic music themed boss' I also think it plausible someone on the development team intended this to be a plausible interpretation even if they did not have a go-ahead to make it documented canon so early in the expansion storyline.

[Bright-Flower]

It's 'plausible' but not 'probable' IMO. I think they just disapear becaues their quest was done, not every npc hangs around forever where we can see them at all times. It just feels like too much of a rush. Yes the process can be quick, but the idea of them immediately just barging in rather than going through the proper channels doesn't sit right with me. Afterall they open the place up for an audience for the Miqo'te's punishment right? I didn't get the feeling Vaulthry was holding an open audience there all day.

[spf1200]

I totally be down for some sineater like gear or glamour.

[Granyala]

I totally be down for some sineater like gear or glamour.

Would make a fun Halloween costume at the Crystarium. Though Lyna would probably still kill you, just to be on the safe side.