How does this game compare to FFXI ?

[Kazimir]

I wanted to comment on this as well. Not to argue the release of FFXIV, it's features, and so on but just because FFXI had problems at release isn't a good argument for FFXIV having problems at release. FFXI having a rocky start should have been a reason why FFXIV should have has a better start. Lessons should be learned from past mistakes, not repeating the mistakes again. SE seemed to want to make FFXIV so much different than FFXI they completely ignored AMAZING features FFXI has to offer. Even as a person who loved FFXI, I didn't want a FFXI-2 but that doesn't mean you should ignore everything from FFXI, yea?

I'm not arguing for the problems, I agree with you completely. I'm trying to explain why I think the game can still be just as good, if not better than XI when all is said and done. XI got over it's problems when first released and even though XIV's issues seem far greater, there's no reason why they can't overcome those in time as well.

I'm also commenting about how often times I see people who compare the two games use elements added in expansions. Some people seem to think the game should be as good as XI was when Zitah and/or CoP came out is all I'm saying. And yeah I agree XI had it's problems but they also had certain features that made it great that they should use in XIV. XIV is missing a lot of that teamwork feeling you get early into XI.

[Forlorn]

I'm not arguing for the problems, I agree with you completely. I'm trying to explain why I think the game can still be just as good, if not better than XI when all is said and done. XI got over it's problems when first released and even though XIV's issues seem far greater, there's no reason why they can't overcome those in time as well.

I'm also commenting about how often times I see people who compare the two games use elements added in expansions. Some people seem to think the game should be as good as XI was when Zitah and/or CoP came out is all I'm saying. And yeah I agree XI had it's problems but they also had certain features that made it great that they should use in XIV. XIV is missing a lot of that teamwork feeling you get early into XI.

Ahh, thank you for clearly up what you said for me. I can say I completely agree with pretty much everything you said this time. I actually had my first exp party in FFXIV yesterday and the team work just wasn't there. Nothing like FFXI and it really is a shame. I miss WSs, I miss making sure the healer has MP, I miss the tank actually tanking! My party was nothing but the tank pulling, the healers spamming cure, and all the DDs attacking whichever mob they felt like. I don't know if this is the "normal" in FFXIV but I much rather prefer the FFXI style of exp parties. Oh, and I miss SKILL CHAINS!!!