Aether Still Locked

[Enla]

To be honest, most "Hardcore raiders" I came across in my time raiding just wanted a reason to throw hissy-fits and act superior. Most raiding I've done on Crystal has been very patient and gotten many more clears than before.

Honestly speaking that's been my experience as well. I've had a few bad experiences - had one CT run where we somehow died to Amon of all things but I think that's just because people were new and didn't realize they could break the ice blocks - but overall I'd say most runs I've had are far more patient with newbies and willing to overlook mistakes so long as people are willing to learn. It's been nice actually. Yeah there's a few less parties in party finder than there were before but overall I'm still clearing things just fine - and with less screaming when a mistake is made as well.

[Nims]

Why do people in this community take stuff so personal? Coming from Archeage and BDO where people calling each other and themselves "autistic" as a greeting, this place is just....idk.

Obviously OP means he wants a data center with a higher population of raiders. I don't think he has anything against RPers, just that in a lot of cases RPers either don't raid, raid casually, or aren't all that great at it. It's perfectly fine if OP and other people want to play with other like minded players.

You guys don't have to take it so personal nor do you have to attack raiders.

[Enla]

Why do people in this community take stuff so personal? Coming from Archeage and BDO where people calling each other and themselves "autistic" as a greeting, this place is just....idk.

Obviously OP means he wants a data center with a higher population of raiders. I don't think he has anything against RPers, just that in a lot of cases RPers either don't raid, raid casually, or aren't all that great at it. It's perfectly fine if OP and other people want to play with other like minded players.

You guys don't have to take it so personal nor do you have to attack raiders.

Not really though? Most RPers I know at least go up to midcore content and I know a healthy number that try for Savage as well. If you look at the numbers someone gleaned before the split, while Crystal did have less Ultimate clears it wasn't /that/ bad of a number. Particularly since in the merger we'd be getting the bulk of the preferred servers in NA with the split. Balmung also had a healthy raid community before all the doom saying drove a lot of raid guilds to leave, many of which also had RPers that are now on Gilgamesh and /still/ RPing over there if my friends ont hat server are to be believed.

I personally sympathize with the OP because I know what it's like to be separated from your friends in situations like this. It sucks. No one likes it and no one should have to go through with it. But you're not really close to being right about RPers and I also don't blame a lot of people on Crystal for feeling vindication after the past 5+ years of being talked down to by raiders for these very issues. It's hard /not/ to feel some schadenfreude when issues we've been complaining about for a long time now affect the very people who told us to take a hike and stop whining.

[Linadae]

Why do people in this community take stuff so personal? Coming from Archeage and BDO where people calling each other and themselves "autistic" as a greeting, this place is just....idk.

Obviously OP means he wants a data center with a higher population of raiders. I don't think he has anything against RPers, just that in a lot of cases RPers either don't raid, raid casually, or aren't all that great at it. It's perfectly fine if OP and other people want to play with other like minded players.

You guys don't have to take it so personal nor do you have to attack raiders.

That's just it, this problem started because someone or a lot of someones DID attack roleplayers. Insisting they were incapable of even doing basic dungeons. Thus causing the panic transfer that has lead to Aether and Primal getting locked as a whole and Crystal having nearly every server either standard or preferred while an expansion starts. So yes there's more than a little schadenfreude going on after constantly being told how 'bad' we were and how we weren't going to be able to even FINISH the msq because of how BAD we were. Yet...here I sit at end game unlocking the two endgame dungeons in prep for gearing up for the up and coming raids.

Now people from Aether are making out like this is the worst launch they've seen and SE's a terrible company because of the choices they as players made. They didn't HAVE to dogpile onto a single datacenter. They CHOOSE to and now they don't want to have to deal with the consequences of their choice even though SE's offered a solution. Which is: "Please move to a server marked as preferred."

[Nims]

That's just it, this problem started because someone or a lot of someones DID attack roleplayers.

Did OP attack Rpers?

Not really though? Most RPers I know at least go up to midcore content and I know a healthy number that try for Savage as well.

Maybe OP wants to try for higher than midcore? Or maybe he wants to be around more hardcore people doing other stuff? This is all just me guessing as I don't know the OP at all.

But you're not really close to being right about RPers and I also don't blame a lot of people on Crystal for feeling vindication after the past 5+ years of being talked down to by raiders

People in this community has attacked raiders since the begining, all you have to do is mention "hardcore raiders" and watch as people spurg out, which is seen in this thread alone.

I also don't understand how I'm not close to being right about RPers but you can call all raiders closed minded based off your personal experience alone...

[Enla]

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I'm not saying all raiders are like that at all? At all? Could you point to where I'm saying that? My only post about the matter is that I've noticed a marked decrease in the mount of vitriol while I run content since the split and that I get why people are feeling vindictive over how some raiders attack them in the past. A good chunk of my best friends are on Aether right now, raiding. I very nearly left Balmung to be with them when the split happened and the first server I was ever on /was/ Gilgamesh were I currently still have an alt. If I thought all raiders were closed minded I'd lose half the people I hang out with on a daily basis in discord by that bias alone.

I'm also not sure how you took 'most do midcore but a healthy amount do savage' to mean that there's no opportunity to do Savage?

[savageink]

Why do people in this community take stuff so personal? Coming from Archeage and BDO where people calling each other and themselves "autistic" as a greeting, this place is just....idk.

Obviously OP means he wants a data center with a higher population of raiders. I don't think he has anything against RPers, just that in a lot of cases RPers either don't raid, raid casually, or aren't all that great at it. It's perfectly fine if OP and other people want to play with other like minded players.

You guys don't have to take it so personal nor do you have to attack raiders.

You are missing the point. The RPers are getting even for all the crap they got for wanting the same exact thing. lol! But Gilgamesh and Balmung are and were congested and not open to character creation. But the latest migration made it worse for Gilgamesh because all the people who thought they were raiders from EVERY server that got moved to Crystal moved to either aether or primal. Mostly Aether I gather from the fact that Aether is plugged up the most. With world visit and a bunch of lighter pop servers on Crystal, they have few problems beyond character creation, which isn't a real problem anymore because of the same world visit system.

[Nims]

I'm not saying all raiders are like that at all? At all? Could you point to where I'm saying that?

Sure, as soon as you point to where I said "all Rpers" My post said "In a lot of cases", scroll back up and go read. Also this isn't even about an "all" nor did I even imply you stated "all" My IQ is higher than 2 and can tell most people are speaking in general. My point was that you can still simply call raiders (any amount of raiders) closed minded but I can't speak about RPers (any amount of RPers) without being told I'm wrong.

=/

I'm also not sure how you took 'most do midcore but a healthy amount do savage' to mean that there's no opportunity to do Savage?

Exactly when did I say "there's no opportunity" or even imply that?

Or maybe he wants to be around more hardcore people doing other stuff?

More =/= none

You are missing the point. The RPers are getting even for all the crap they got for wanting the same exact thing.

I honestly didn't see the OP here blame RPers or give Rpers any crap in this thread atleast, haven't looked at their other posts. So no, I'm sorry I'm not getting your point.

OP stated he wants to be around more hardcore raiding guilds (even people in this thread mentioned that MOST RPERS GO FOR MIDCORE) and people just started freaking out.

[Enla]

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Never implied your IQ was 2? Maybe take a deep breath there? You're kinda taking things a bit too literally and seriously and escalating all over the place. I also think you misread me quite heavily, again. That said I will acknowledge my poor choice of wording in regards to generalizing your point about 'all RPers' and apologize. I shouldn't have implied you meant all RPers and am sorry that it came off as an attack on you.

[Nims]

Never implied your IQ was 2? .

Holy cow! Lmao I never said you did.

How am I taking things a bit too literally when you literally asked me where you said "all" and implied other things I didn't say. I'm just replying to your posts while waiting in que and literally quoting the things you say.

But sure I'll stop "escalating all over the place" lmao.