Summoner Early Post-Launch Feedback at level 80

[Sequora]

I'm glad festruins are gone
I'm sad that's all the attention we got.

I’m sure we’ll get more buffs in 5.1. We were on the list of jobs that needed some pretty big changes.

[Letz]

But what allowed NIN and especially SAM to receive potency buffs while SMN received basically nothing in 5.08?

You could argue for NIN buffs, but there is no reason SAM needed potency buffs.

If they received those buffs to "tide them over" until the rework of 5.1, then why didn't SMN receive them too? The difference between MNK and SAM is non-existent compared to the difference between BLM and SMN.

[Anvaire]

But what allowed NIN and especially SAM to receive potency buffs while SMN received basically nothing in 5.08?

You could argue for NIN buffs, but there is no reason SAM needed potency buffs.

If they received those buffs to "tide them over" until the rework of 5.1, then why didn't SMN receive them too? The difference between MNK and SAM is non-existent compared to the difference between BLM and SMN.

Yoshi P did they were tackling it Ninja > Samurai > Summoner

I assume they ran out of time, and just gave us the ruin change.

I think a lot of the issue is they don't really know / can't decide what to do.

I do think we'll get something in 5.1 as they said, it wasn't that they didn't want to say anything, just that they hadn't made any decisions and didn't want to stir things up before they had finalised the changes. Which to me makes sense. Either way, I expect we will see some mechanical change and alongside this buffs.

[Sequora]

Yoshi P did they were tackling it Ninja > Samurai > Summoner

I assume they ran out of time, and just gave us the ruin change.

I think a lot of the issue is they don't really know / can't decide what to do.

I do think we'll get something in 5.1 as they said, it wasn't that they didn't want to say anything, just that they hadn't made any decisions and didn't want to stir things up before they had finalised the changes. Which to me makes sense. Either way, I expect we will see some mechanical change and alongside this buffs.

I don’t think they said anything about their order of priority. That was just the order in which they asked the questions. SMN needs the most changes imo, not just buffs.

[Rika007]

But what allowed NIN and especially SAM to receive potency buffs while SMN received basically nothing in 5.08?

You could argue for NIN buffs, but there is no reason SAM needed potency buffs.

If they received those buffs to "tide them over" until the rework of 5.1, then why didn't SMN receive them too? The difference between MNK and SAM is non-existent compared to the difference between BLM and SMN.

Lets not be disingenuous, SAM absolutely needed buffs. It's a greedy DPS job that doesn't output greedy DPS numbers. Jobs with far superior party utility, DRG and MNK were also bringing better damage then SAM to the table as well as their buffs.

[Rika007]

I’m sure we’ll get more buffs in 5.1. We were on the list of jobs that needed some pretty big changes.

Buffs are the furthest thing on my mind from importance of Summoner. I'd rather the job be trash tier and fun to play then meta and feel awful to play. If all they do is buff the job to a meta level damage rate and not pay attention to any of the many issues players from all different skill levels have with it's bloated rotation then they really will have taken the lazy way out.

Numbers are easy to tweak. Identity and playstyle are much more difficult. They are taking their time to address those concerns with Ninja. They are at least being receptive to those concerns with Bard even if they disagree with them. I want to see that same approach given to Summoner.