Summoner Early Post-Launch Feedback at level 80

[Angry_Evil]

Will we ever get an Odin Summon ?

No

Am i really the only one wishing for Odin as an summon?

Yes

I personally want diabolos lol and I don't care that it's not a primal, with how we summon bahamut and how aether and primals work there won't be that much of lore additions to make demi-diabolos possible

[Gallus]

Demi Odin - Zantetsuken -> 15 potency. Grants two stacks of Ruin IV. Please look forward to it.

Seriously though, I don't see Demi Odin happening.

[MarniDawg]

I agree with the original post. It captures my feelings on current summoner completely.

I gave it a shot and I just can't deal with how I'm just fixed on my hotbar looking at ocgd timers. Parts of it feel a mess and other parts flow well (pheonix).

Bahamut feels like a lumbering bafoon again made worse by the fact you need to stay still for the ruin 3 damage if you happened to have used your ruin 4 for movement at some other point.

DWT feels ok but would feel a bit better if I wasn't trying to cram all my ogcds in there.

Aoe feels like crap when not in DWT. Trying to use egi assaults or aetherflow skills without being able to use outburst sucks with the clipping.

The change to bane is a welcome one at least and like I mentioned pheonix feels good. I'm a fan of garuda's new skill and would like to see that stay in some way.

I dont know what they can do to fix it and these are just my personal feelings on the matter. I'm no expert :P Here's hoping they make some adjustments because I really enjoyed the class before this. Until then I'll be leveling red mage and playing that instead.

[Ryulaido]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

[Angry_Evil]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

I don't think there's a system and I'm pretty sure devs are struggling or at least will be struggling with demi summons. I bet 6.0 one will be gold bahamut lol and it'll suck. Odin was such a nonfactor for years and we stopped getting egis in HW and went full on bahamut mage and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Phoenix is coils related just like bahamut that's why we've got it. Power-wise it might be on bahamut level actually, I dunno.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

[Taranok]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

Odin would be an exception to the list of possible primals for reasons I cannot go into because I can't figure out if or how to set up anything as being a spoiler on the boards.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

Because the Egi system is and has been bad basically since the job was implemented and the devs are probably struggling with whether they actually want to keep the egis or not. It might also just legitimately be difficult to code new glamours which is what those upgrades would fundamentally be.

[HeulGDarian]

why does yuna from ff10 comes to play? is it cause it was called a high summoner? yuna also had healing magic and the null magics is that any different from having the poison magic and ruin spells? Sure one is healing the other is dps but you can't judge a job in ff14 by looking at other ff games that's the beauty of those games, every iteration is different. Honestly sb smn had some problems but what they did wasnt fixing the problem as much as wiping half of it call it fixes and creating more problems . This is a summoner the argument of this doesn't feel like summoner is honestly dumb.

For arguement shakes let's say they remove all the arcanist build up cause that's what they are trying to do and people seem to ask for it and leave the summoning part. now you d have a job that only fights with their summons and nothing else . isn't that the beastmaster job? let's take the arcanist part and make a job dots only and a couple ogcds that would probably be the necromancer job from ff5 though I'm sure it had more tricks up it's sleeves. In arr the job was made like that cause the devs took inspiration from WoW so it makes sense that it was like warlock . at Hw they didn't expand the "poison system" they added the trance and deathflare system which lorewise was the way to summon bigger summons . at stormblood it finally happened we reached what we wanted we finally learned how to do demi summons . And what did Shb do? all this build up got destroyed cause some people wanted more summons . Actually no that's False, old summoner and new summoner summon just as much . if you remove everything that has to do with the rework and only put the updates summoner would still be summoning just as much and not only that it would have made the ruin spam after the 2 min demi summon less if trance and pheonix were a different button like they made it with bahamut . So really all these rework changes were just a detriment. PS before i see this answer coming in dungeons you get to summon more by swapping garuda and ifrit for trash and bosses which is great but if they just have made them instant they could have been more usable in 8mans by simply swapping to use radiant shield and contagion though if it would have been usable that i don't know.

[HeulGDarian]

I don't think there's a system and I'm pretty sure devs are struggling or at least will be struggling with demi summons. I bet 6.0 one will be gold bahamut lol and it'll suck. Odin was such a nonfactor for years and we stopped getting egis in HW and went full on bahamut mage and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Phoenix is coils related just like bahamut that's why we've got it. Power-wise it might be on bahamut level actually, I dunno.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

The devs said in an interview that they'll do it at 5.1 or something though i don't remember which one is it since it was on YouTube and they were many

[HeulGDarian]

Will we ever get an Odin Summon ? He gets almost no screentime in the games story from all primals can we at least summon him one day? it was the perfect chance after bahamut but we got that phoenix bird... so chances are very low right?

if Odin were implented for SMN i would make him my main.

Am i really the only one wishing for Odin as an summon? i couldnt find anything on google i hope this is no off topic. its considered as feedback to SMN right? xD

It could happen at some point but first they need to find out what direction they want summoner to go since currently it's a mess. after all odin isn't just instakills

[Gallus]

Just remove the stupid dots and the silly egis.