Summoner Early Post-Launch Feedback at level 80

[battleshadow66]

Just remove the stupid dots and the silly egis.

While I will admit that I do dislike FFXIV SMN due to it really being a bargain bin WoW Warlock knock off, neither of those things will fix the class. First thing they need to do before that is disconnect SMN from SCH completely. Get rid of the book weapon and give them a whip weapon. Then start fixing the mess the job is in.

[Angry_Evil]

While I will admit that I do dislike FFXIV SMN due to it really being a bargain bin WoW Warlock knock off, neither of those things will fix the class. First thing they need to do before that is disconnect SMN from SCH completely. Get rid of the book weapon and give them a whip weapon. Then start fixing the mess the job is in.

Whip? Why whip?

[Gallus]

While I will admit that I do dislike FFXIV SMN due to it really being a bargain bin WoW Warlock knock off, neither of those things will fix the class. First thing they need to do before that is disconnect SMN from SCH completely. Get rid of the book weapon and give them a whip weapon. Then start fixing the mess the job is in.

Getting rid of the Dots would automatically fix festeruins, which are a problem. Getting rid of the Egis would automatically remove EAs, which are garbage overbloat and offer nothing other than Ruin IV stacks. Then from there, you can build up a real SMN and take whatever direction you prefer most, but if you keep insisting with the egis and the dots, you'll be stuck forever in a convoluted mess that SE has proven unable to fix up to this day.

[MarniDawg]

I agree with the original post. It captures my feelings on current summoner completely.

I gave it a shot and I just can't deal with how I'm just fixed on my hotbar looking at ocgd timers. Parts of it feel a mess and other parts flow well (pheonix).

Bahamut feels like a lumbering bafoon again made worse by the fact you need to stay still for the ruin 3 damage if you happened to have used your ruin 4 for movement at some other point.

DWT feels ok but would feel a bit better if I wasn't trying to cram all my ogcds in there.

Aoe feels like crap when not in DWT. Trying to use egi assaults or aetherflow skills without being able to use outburst sucks with the clipping.

The change to bane is a welcome one at least and like I mentioned pheonix feels good. I'm a fan of garuda's new skill and would like to see that stay in some way.

I dont know what they can do to fix it and these are just my personal feelings on the matter. I'm no expert :P Here's hoping they make some adjustments because I really enjoyed the class before this. Until then I'll be leveling red mage and playing that instead.

[CodeAscalon]

I agree with the original post. It captures my feelings on current summoner completely.

I gave it a shot and I just can't deal with how I'm just fixed on my hotbar looking at ocgd timers. Parts of it feel a mess and other parts flow well (pheonix).

Bahamut feels like a lumbering bafoon again made worse by the fact you need to stay still for the ruin 3 damage if you happened to have used your ruin 4 for movement at some other point.

DWT feels ok but would feel a bit better if I wasn't trying to cram all my ogcds in there.

Aoe feels like crap when not in DWT. Trying to use egi assaults or aetherflow skills without being able to use outburst sucks with the clipping.

The change to bane is a welcome one at least and like I mentioned pheonix feels good. I'm a fan of garuda's new skill and would like to see that stay in some way.

I dont know what they can do to fix it and these are just my personal feelings on the matter. I'm no expert :P Here's hoping they make some adjustments because I really enjoyed the class before this. Until then I'll be leveling red mage and playing that instead.

This sums up my complete thought about SMN. I used to love it in HW, SB was okay at the start and got better to the end. But now? I played SMN with heart and now I cannot even take more than a few glimpses on the boss and whats actually happening without not trying to die to stuff... I am sticking to WHM now and it feels soo good in comparison to SMN.

I'm no funnier than this tho:

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Same ilvl.

I could not agree with you more

Except they already have. This hasn't even been an issue since 4.0 with both Jobs learning more Job-specific skills/traits that replace the Class variants, which practically made both of them separate already.

Now with 5.0, SCH is completely separated from ACN/SMN aside from level. They now have their own set of skills and traits from 1-50, labeled as SCH skills and not ACN. SMN and SCH only share one skill and it's Ressurection.

we want them to be seperated completely. and not by any means of the skill progression. would make things a lot easier

[Ryulaido]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

[Angry_Evil]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

I don't think there's a system and I'm pretty sure devs are struggling or at least will be struggling with demi summons. I bet 6.0 one will be gold bahamut lol and it'll suck. Odin was such a nonfactor for years and we stopped getting egis in HW and went full on bahamut mage and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Phoenix is coils related just like bahamut that's why we've got it. Power-wise it might be on bahamut level actually, I dunno.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

[HeulGDarian]

I don't think there's a system and I'm pretty sure devs are struggling or at least will be struggling with demi summons. I bet 6.0 one will be gold bahamut lol and it'll suck. Odin was such a nonfactor for years and we stopped getting egis in HW and went full on bahamut mage and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Phoenix is coils related just like bahamut that's why we've got it. Power-wise it might be on bahamut level actually, I dunno.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

The devs said in an interview that they'll do it at 5.1 or something though i don't remember which one is it since it was on YouTube and they were many

[Taranok]

Can you explain more why you dont think Odin will be implemented? This was a very harsh and direct "no" xD so im wondering if it was explained any day or something like that? Or what could make it so guaranted we wont get him ?

Is it because of the order? We got the msq primals and then the lore-wise strongest primal which is bahamut? so there is no space left for odin? but then why do we got that bird? is it lore wise decided or just by coolness of the primal and popularity? is there an system from the devs choosing which one comes next? im very curious about that because summoner is a very interesting job for me.

Odin would be an exception to the list of possible primals for reasons I cannot go into because I can't figure out if or how to set up anything as being a spoiler on the boards.

PS
I personally do not understand why they don't reskin egis to new oens with every expansion like carbuncle became garuda. They wouldn't even need to change anything balance wise. Maybe they think it would be lazy? But then current changes aren't exactly not lazy... And promised egi glamours stopped on carbuncles too lol

Because the Egi system is and has been bad basically since the job was implemented and the devs are probably struggling with whether they actually want to keep the egis or not. It might also just legitimately be difficult to code new glamours which is what those upgrades would fundamentally be.

[Angry_Evil]

Why won't they just combine all the GOOD ideas from HW SB and ShB into one good summoner instead of reworking it poorly every time...
Imagine removing egis and dots and getting 800 pot festers and 900 potency akhmorns instead woof