The Problem with Paladin

[Estellios]

It's so you can heal anyone that took AOE damage while the WHM focuses on you and subsequently puts Regen on everyone else through Divine Veil. Also so you can heal the WHMs themselves so they don't get more enmity while getting back some more of your own HP, which is nice for the newer fights that spawn adds.

[Peptaru]

Its not like you can't target yourself with Succor, I'm happy pld has somethin like cura.

[HoolieWho]

Also, side-note: I hate Holy Succor... Why do we have something to cure someone else... It's just rewarding tanks that suck at keeping hate.

1. Mobs have hate reset moves.
2. Adds don't always pop with hate on the tank.
3. Stray mobs don't only aggro tanks.

There are plenty of reasons to want to cure someone else while the WHM focuses on you.

[Aceofspades]

wow this thread is still going huh, well after extensive testing with PLDs improved abilities, I think denial is the only thing that keeps people saying WAR is a better tank.

1) better implies (without further clearification) all situations

2) survivability gose , hands down, to the PLD, test it all you want, I already have

3) soo long as PLD isn't in direct compition for hate controll with a WAR (meaning , the WAR isn't trying to take hate) PLD has the ability to keep hate just as well as the WAR (much thanks to improved abilities)

4) who is to say that either PLD or WAR holds the crown? everyone forget that GLD produces hate well enough , can attain same if not more Def / vit / mind / ect , ect. And probably most importantly the ability to regen mp Rapidly.

this forum has more to do with people jumping the gun simply cuz WAR is easy to learn how to tank with. Lets plz keep in mind, the potency of the abilities that come from GLD is deminushed when war uses it , not the case with PLD and even tho war has HIGH hp, they lose it FAST. I personally belive WAR was designed to tank multiple mobs, anywhere from 5 lvls above it to any lvl below it , and do it with great ease. Proclaiming a job to be the best tank simply cuz it can be done due to simplicity of the fight is inacurate and wrong. Truth is , there is no real apretiation for PLD cuz PLD has yet to find a chalange in wich it can truly shine. Sure WAR can pull hate off PLD but the first time a WAR dose that and dies shortly after then the vaule of a job like PLD will be realized.

[Aceofspades]

as far as hate control gose btw, AOE heals work great for that not to meantion helps your dps without distracting your healer, and another realy good reason to have your tank able to heal the party , other then hate control, If your tank can handle the fight with one healer , that opens room for another DD, if this is the case, the tank being able to keep the DPS portion of the party alive or at least help with that is simply usefull, sanguine rite (pretty sure i spelled that wrong) and cure works great with devine veil

[TirionCrey]

as far as hate control gose btw, AOE heals work great for that not to meantion helps your dps without distracting your healer, and another realy good reason to have your tank able to heal the party , other then hate control, If your tank can handle the fight with one healer , that opens room for another DD, if this is the case, the tank being able to keep the DPS portion of the party alive or at least help with that is simply usefull, sanguine rite (pretty sure i spelled that wrong) and cure works great with devine veil

Aceofspades...you clearly got no clue what you're talking about. I don't want to be blunt, but of all the people defending PLD/GLA, you are the only one that obviously has no clue (I blame that on Ifrit being the hardest fight for you...)

First...Sanguine Rite works well with Cure and Divine Veil? Well, we lose access to Sanguine Rite once we are PLD...

WAR goes down fast after he pulls hate off the PLD? You seem to fail recognizing that WAR takes just as much DMG on getting hit as the PLD, while having over 1k HP more then PLD...which is the whole point everyone is arguing about.

The lower HP Pool of PLD wouldn't be much of an issue, if he actually did what he is supposed to do and that is being the DMG Mitigation Tank...sure he deals less dmg, sure he generates less enmity...yeah he can heal himself, but he will drop to the floor before the WAR does, while WAR deals more dmg, generates more enmity and get's the job done better then PLD...that's the whole point of these discussion but you seem to ignore them or are unable to see them.

edit: Just checked your lodestone profile...Ifrit is actually all you ever got done...no Moogle, nothing in the new dungeon...so how can you even argue with the people who actually tried PLD on the content and clearly know it is not working as it should.

Your arguments are not viable just from the fact that you haven't even beaten the stuff on your PLD...

[Velhart]

as far as hate control gose btw, AOE heals work great for that not to meantion helps your dps without distracting your healer, and another realy good reason to have your tank able to heal the party , other then hate control, If your tank can handle the fight with one healer , that opens room for another DD, if this is the case, the tank being able to keep the DPS portion of the party alive or at least help with that is simply usefull, sanguine rite (pretty sure i spelled that wrong) and cure works great with devine veil

People are not saying it isn't viable, PLD just isn't good.

[Alerith]

People are not saying it isn't viable, PLD just isn't good.

It's not even that PLD isn't good. It's just that WAR is better. In it's current stat, PLD can still see you to victory.

[Daniel_Fury]

I find that when I use PLD, I take less damage on any boss enemy (physical damage.) I also don't find there to be a problem between PLD or WAR. If my party is using the easy safe mode setup of full ranged DD, then WAR tanks fine, but if my party want to use a melee setup, let's say on a boss like Chimera, PLD all the way. PLD may have less hp than WAR but it looks after melee DD's and sometimes ranged DD's a hell of alot better than WAR does and that kind support is what I prefer.

[Draxk]

OMG im so FN pissed. i tried tanking as pal tonight in full AF and a war in full AF and he was out tanking me and i even got wiped before he did. was so BRUTAL straight up SE fix Paladin. noone want spal tanking anymore u guys NEED to fix this. im so mad i never been so pissed before and ive been playing since ff11 1st started.......

I could go on forever but after getting raped in aurum vale u guys need to do something.... ff 11 pal had no problem with hate either. only ninja had hard time holding hate. pal should be the same on here not struggling to get hate.
PLZ SE fix it before pal becomes obsolete.