The Problem with Paladin

[KadeDoom]

Well they are supposedly adjusting some stuff with PLD with this patch 1.21a tonight, but what kills me the most is this here I copied off the patch notes:

Divine Veil - Recast time reduced from 120 to 60 seconds.
- Effect duration reduced from 30 to 20 seconds.
- Blocks all physical attacks from the front.
- Healing over time effect granted by Cure and Cura now stacks with the white magic spell Regen.
* Healing efficacy reduced in exchange for longer effect duration.

not the typo since this was copied from the patch notes, but what it is intended to mean is what is hilarious, it says on line 2 - Effect duration reduced from 30 to 20 seconds. so you lose 10 seconds of the effect, and the last line in red is what makes it oh so baffling * Healing efficacy reduced in exchange for longer effect duration. Where is the longer effect? You are losing 10 seconds of the effect plus healing efficiency? I could be off here but I know I am reading this correctly.

[Peptaru]

They cut recast in half, but didn't cut the duration in half. This extends its active duration over the course of a fight. It could have been phrased better. Now it can be active 33% of the time instead of 25% of the time, and the boost to block (i pray) will be a blessing.

[Treach]

Maybe the regen lasts longer then the block increase?

[Evaddaragon]

Pepper is right... or better yet, both Treach and Pepper may be right. ^^ Boy would that be great. lol

[Phobos]

One issue I see with the Divine Veil regen effect:

How long does the regen last?

If a WHM cures you when you have 19s left does it last for 19s? If they cure you at 5s left does it last for 5s? If this is the case, that part of the ability is quite useless. I haven't been able to test pre-this-patch since I unlocked PLD, saw how sucky it was, and switched to GLA but maybe someone can shed some light on the subject.

[Alerith]

One issue I see with the Divine Veil regen effect:

How long does the regen last?

If a WHM cures you when you have 19s left does it last for 19s? If they cure you at 5s left does it last for 5s? If this is the case, that part of the ability is quite useless. I haven't been able to test pre-this-patch since I unlocked PLD, saw how sucky it was, and switched to GLA but maybe someone can shed some light on the subject.

I was testing Divine Veil yesterday before I knew about the update.

Divine Veil Regen overwrote itself and WHM Regen.

Also, WHM Regen overwrote Divine Veil Regen.


With the update, they can now both be in effect at the same time. Since Divine Veil Regen overwrites itself, the duration is reset upon each cure.

[Phobos]

I was testing Divine Veil yesterday before I knew about the update.

Divine Veil Regen overwrote itself and WHM Regen.

Also, WHM Regen overwrote Divine Veil Regen.


With the update, they can now both be in effect at the same time. Since Divine Veil Regen overwrites itself, the duration is reset upon each cure.

We're getting into speculation territory here, but I'll be happy if that's the case. It should be as long as a separate Icon gets placed when you receive a cure (I assume that getting cured caused the Regen Icon to pop up?). So if all goes well, we'll just have two separate Regen icons when we have both active.

[Treach]

Could have sworn I had DV and regen up at the same time doing job quests, oh well.

[PiedPiper]

MFW

This. So much this to most of what is said about the pld class. Funniest thing I've seen all day.


Ps, as Treach and a few others are laboriously trying to point out, it doesn't do much good to be immune to physical damage a third of the time if A) most of the damage isn't physical anyway and B) you still aren't taking on pld cus your threat still sucks. B is based mostly on the fact that there is little confidence that the spiritswithin change will magically make up the massive gap between pld and war, which I think is a rather reasonable assumption. Then again, Spirits within could hit for over 9000 every 60 seconds now and generate +800% threat, and then it'd be totally enough.

[Alerith]

This. So much this to most of what is said about the pld class. Funniest thing I've seen all day.


Ps, as Treach and a few others are laboriously trying to point out, it doesn't do much good to be immune to physical damage a third of the time if A) most of the damage isn't physical anyway and B) you still aren't taking on pld cus your threat still sucks. B is based mostly on the fact that there is little confidence that the spiritswithin change will magically make up the massive gap between pld and war, which I think is a rather reasonable assumption. Then again, Spirits within could hit for over 9000 every 60 seconds now and generate +800% threat, and then it'd be totally enough.

PLD hate control doesn't suck. WAR just currently does it better. I've never had hate issues as PLD.