The Problem with Paladin

[Estellios]

It's so you can heal anyone that took AOE damage while the WHM focuses on you and subsequently puts Regen on everyone else through Divine Veil. Also so you can heal the WHMs themselves so they don't get more enmity while getting back some more of your own HP, which is nice for the newer fights that spawn adds.

[Peptaru]

Its not like you can't target yourself with Succor, I'm happy pld has somethin like cura.

[Aceofspades]

wow this thread is still going huh, well after extensive testing with PLDs improved abilities, I think denial is the only thing that keeps people saying WAR is a better tank.

1) better implies (without further clearification) all situations

2) survivability gose , hands down, to the PLD, test it all you want, I already have

3) soo long as PLD isn't in direct compition for hate controll with a WAR (meaning , the WAR isn't trying to take hate) PLD has the ability to keep hate just as well as the WAR (much thanks to improved abilities)

4) who is to say that either PLD or WAR holds the crown? everyone forget that GLD produces hate well enough , can attain same if not more Def / vit / mind / ect , ect. And probably most importantly the ability to regen mp Rapidly.

this forum has more to do with people jumping the gun simply cuz WAR is easy to learn how to tank with. Lets plz keep in mind, the potency of the abilities that come from GLD is deminushed when war uses it , not the case with PLD and even tho war has HIGH hp, they lose it FAST. I personally belive WAR was designed to tank multiple mobs, anywhere from 5 lvls above it to any lvl below it , and do it with great ease. Proclaiming a job to be the best tank simply cuz it can be done due to simplicity of the fight is inacurate and wrong. Truth is , there is no real apretiation for PLD cuz PLD has yet to find a chalange in wich it can truly shine. Sure WAR can pull hate off PLD but the first time a WAR dose that and dies shortly after then the vaule of a job like PLD will be realized.

[Draxk]

Actually i do. Between provoke and flash and other hate abilities(ie spirits) i space them out.... thats not the issue i can retain hate most of the time.... i just die so fast war has np outlasting pal thats my issue...
i wasnt complaining about hate so much just refering compared to ff 11. My issue is survivability war vs pal.

[Shiggysonson]

There was a post by a JP dev saying that the "enhanced cover" affect from the AF body gives MP back to the paladin when damage is taken with cover up. This goes for both when the paladin directly takes damage with cover up and when the paladin takes someone else's damage.

It may be worth using cover to get MP back even when you have hate.

[Evaddaragon]

There was a post by a JP dev saying that the "enhanced cover" affect from the AF body gives MP back to the paladin when damage is taken with cover up. This goes for both when the paladin directly takes damage with cover up and when the paladin takes someone else's damage.

It may be worth using cover to get MP back even when you have hate.

Would you mind sending us that post ? Reinhart might be able to translate it ?

[Shyd]

SE needs to make the "shield" OP.

[Nexxus]

SE needs to make the "shield" OP.

I'd rather have more HP than better shield block rate. actually, to have over 3.7k~ HP you need stuff with materia (give up all AF), and food.

I've only tried the coincutter as pld, 100T Swing is easily avoidable, there's np in it, and just in case, i have Aegis Boon that will block it.

But the other 100T... where a WAR will take it easily without to worry about being killed, will mostly one shot a PLD (maybe not a skilled one).

HP was my only issue, full AF + jewels 3200 HP. WAR full AF + jewels 4200 HP, even if he can't mitigate as well as pld the damages, an healer will always overheal the tank, so the mitigation is a bit useless (even if it's helpfull), only HP count there.

I also play as mnk, and i'd rather have a war in my party because i can give him my hate with my howling fist (1400~ dmg enmity) and be cool with my own hate all the fight long.

I found out my block rate still pretty decent on coincutter (with the 3 skills that enhance it), and mp is pretty useless, i can't cure myself during this fight, i have to run often to avoid TPmove...

So, if i had something to ask to Square Enix it would be: "Put HP+ stats on AF instead of MP" and "enhance base HP of paladin".

[Daniel_Fury]

I'd rather have more HP than better shield block rate. actually, to have over 3.7k~ HP you need stuff with materia (give up all AF), and food.

Not true. I wear the AF top, Gloves, and Crown and still have over 4k hp in a party so HP isn't a problem for me. However, chuck the gears on the warrior and get close to 4.9k hp. 4k is easily enough to tank the bosses with PLD no worries though. (As long as you dodge 100 Tonze Swing.)

The 100 tonze swipe is still easily avoidable, run between his legs and take no damage. If you make a mistake, like animation lock and are going to be hit, whm follow up Cura and PLD use Holy Succor to replenish HP as if it was a means of defence.

[Shiggysonson]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...347#post617347