Thread: 5.0 DRK has a Solid foundation, here's why.

I'm starting to think the people saying old Delrium was bad and new is an improvement were not very good at Dark Knight last expac

Originally Posted by Reynhart

You do realize that Delirum is even more wasted now if the boss become untargetable, since DRK would now lose its burst phase completely instead of a single Bloodspiller. And again, if the player doesn't know how to properly use its skill, it's not the job's fault.

Fair enough. I concede the point and agree it is a bigger loss now than before, but what you say about players knowing how to use skills properly applies for new Delirium too, if used right then it's a bigger gain than an extra few seconds of Blood Weapon were before. That said, new Delirium isn't useful 100% of the time either.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Why should all jobs be designed around burst windows ? Especially when you already have tanks to fill that concept. You don't have to burst to have a balanced DPS compared to your fellow tanks.

Pretty much everything in the game rotates around buff windows when it comes to raiding. Aligning raid buffs is a big thing because then your party can fire off their heaviest hitting moves in said windows. A complaint people had back in 4.0 was that DRK had little to push out during these bases, so they were given a proper burst phase in 5.0 as a response. Personally, burst DPS phases are just what I'm used to so I don't mind new Delirium and I find it kinda fun, but that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by shao32

I'm not against a burst window, I'm against to a unimaginative burst window specially is this new burst window leave us such huge down time spamming souleater only, that being said no every job need to be burst based, sustained dps jobs are a lot of fun and diversity should be a priority, if sustained dps is suffers from boss downtimes you need to add tools to quicky get on top again that's all, turning it to a burst job BCS we don't wanna get rid of the trick attack meta limit more our options and create this situations in the forum.

The tools to get sustained DPS back on top are the same tools that would be used in a burst window. Maybe I'm just not seeing the entire picture, but I dunno what else could be done for a sustained DPS job to get back to doing comparable damage to a burst job after a lengthy period of downtime. That said, I'm not saying Delirium is perfect, I agree that there's many other things that could've been done to achieve the burst phase for DRK people were asking for in the past, but I personally just like it better than the old version. It's unimaginative, sure, but it does what it sets out to do. Old delirium felt more niche and less impactful for me, which is why I didn't like it. That's just my opinion, though.

Also, not arguing against this but the problem isn't Trick Attack alone, it's buffs in general. Sustained DPS would be more attractive if buffs in FFXIV could be maintained throughout the entire fight, but since there's only specific windows during which these buffs are active, that's what encourages a burst phase driven mentality. TA could be removed and people would still stack damage in the window that buffs like Battle Litany or Devilment cover.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

Pretty much everything in the game rotates around buff windows when it comes to raiding. Aligning raid buffs is a big thing because then your party can fire off their heaviest hitting moves in said windows. A complaint people had back in 4.0 was that DRK had little to push out during these bases, so they were given a proper burst phase in 5.0 as a response. Personally, burst DPS phases are just what I'm used to so I don't mind new Delirium and I find it kinda fun, but that's just my opinion.

Not really anymore, SE nerf a lot party utility this expansion, battle litany, bard buffs, mch ones, dancer have pretty long recast too, only NIN remain unchanged but everything else was tuned down a lot, so this direction of DRK make even less sense.

Fun is relative, and I respect you personal preferences all being said.

I can give you a few examples, DRG get blood of dragon recast reduced to is always ready to being used and back to action, SAM have meditation to generate kenki and recover a lot of potency back during downtimes, MNK have perfect balance, ninja can prepare his mudras, BLM can swap to ice to recover mana, ect ect, in the case of DRK was turning darkside off to regenerate mana and have extra potency when the boss is back, that kind of stuff.

The first day of the release I hate it, then I decided to level up because of one of my retainers. Now I'm having a lot of fun with It and notice there is a little more to it than I thought at first.

However, DRK once again is a horrible job when synced.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

what you say about players knowing how to use skills properly applies for new Delirium too

Sure, that's why I don't take that into account when giving my opinion about how a skill feels. The big part being that previous Delirum felt unique, could bring a little decision on keeping Blood for a little time, and synchronize it will Blood Weapon.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

Pretty much everything in the game rotates around buff windows when it comes to raiding. Aligning raid buffs is a big thing because then your party can fire off their heaviest hitting moves in said windows.

Your party needs to do a certain amount of DPS throught the whole fight, if you're supposed to 8000 DPS (totally random number), in the end it doesn't really mater if you maintain it constantly of if you have spikes and trough here and there.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

A complaint people had back in 4.0 was that DRK had little to push out during these bases, so they were given a proper burst phase in 5.0 as a response.

I'd say that it was also because we did lower damage (If not by that much) even outside of burst phases.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

Personally, burst DPS phases are just what I'm used to so I don't mind new Delirium and I find it kinda fun, but that's just my opinion.

Should I ask why you don't play WAR then ? He's been the burst tank since HW.

Originally Posted by Kaozurei

The tools to get sustained DPS back on top are the same tools that would be used in a burst window.

You see, they could have kept Darkside as more powerful than Storm's Eye, thus giving DRK a permanent strong damage buff. So, in exchange for no burst window, DRK sustained DPS would be higher than the others. But of course, if you look at the average DPS number in the end, those would have to be very close to keep the balance. And of course, they could have made Darkside more engaging to maintain.