Loss of drain on Blm...really?!

[YanderePrincess]

As absurd as this sounds, I would rather die than depend on Drain.

Really?. If you have a tool that can keep you alive and you don't use it in a situation where you'll die if you don't, then you're being a bad player. And once you're dead, you're doing NO DPS. It's just as dumb as standing in an aoe that will one-shot you because moving means interrupting your spell cast.

[Cynfael]

Really?. If you have a tool that can keep you alive and you don't use it in a situation where you'll die if you don't, then you're being a bad player. And once you're dead, you're doing NO DPS. It's just as dumb as standing in an aoe that will one-shot you because moving means interrupting your spell cast.

Drain was such a bad tool that you neglected your fundamental job function by using it. Doubly true for BLM since they had very little to offer in the way of party utility, making DPS the only reason for including them.

As others have pointed out, the heal was awful to the point that you'd have to sit there and spam it in order to recover significant HP. If you're spamming Drain, you're not doing meaningful damage and have no reason to be there. Better to take the death and get a party with healers who are awake, because it would save more time.

[YanderePrincess]

Drain was such a bad tool that you neglected your fundamental job function by using it. Doubly true for BLM since they had very little to offer in the way of party utility, making DPS the only reason for including them.

As others have pointed out, the heal was awful to the point that you'd have to sit there and spam it in order to recover significant HP. If you're spamming Drain, you're not doing meaningful damage and have no reason to be there. Better to take the death and get a party with healers who are awake, because it would save more time.

Eh, takes less time to use Drain, stay alive, and finish the fight. And, if we wipe anyway, we were going to wipe whether I used Drain or my normal spells. If I keep myself alive, though, that takes strain off the [admittedly subpar] healers, and can sometimes make the difference. In Omega, doing less damage in this scenario can also actually be beneficial since it usually happened during the phase where we're fighting Male and Female, and killing one a significant amount of time before the other can be problematic, so delaying that while the healers or rdms get people back on their feet is hardly a bad thing.

I agree Drain, in general, was bad. It doesn't change the fact that there were a few rare situations where it was actually very useful anyway. Like I said earlier, I've saved fights where things had gone wrong by spamming Physick before. It was extremely rare, but it happened. Does that mean I want Drain and cross-class Physick back? Not really, though something to provide a little extra help in forced solo content would be kinda nice, and that's where Drain felt like it mainly belonged. A tool to help us out with forced solo content. Though, to be fair, we didn't used to have a buff giving us a sizable hp regen in the past. That helps a lot to make up for jobs that don't really have any self-sustain in solo content. Back before we had that and before we had drain, I remember having to solo a fight on BLM by kiting with SCATHE. Ugh. X3

[JowyAtreides]

Really?. If you have a tool that can keep you alive and you don't use it in a situation where you'll die if you don't, then you're being a bad player. And once you're dead, you're doing NO DPS. It's just as dumb as standing in an aoe that will one-shot you because moving means interrupting your spell cast.

Conversely, if you ever find yourself in a situation (in solo content) that you need to use Drain, you're being a bad player.

As it was, it was a rubbish skill that either needed changing, or removing. Even a triplecast Drain yielded about 20% of your health back and you still had to cast it over 5-6 seconds and by that point, your healer should have you covered or in the case of solo content, the server healclick.

[YanderePrincess]

Conversely, if you ever find yourself in a situation (in solo content) that you need to use Drain, you're being a bad player.

As it was, it was a rubbish skill that either needed changing, or removing. Even a triplecast Drain yielded about 20% of your health back and you still had to cast it over 5-6 seconds and by that point, your healer should have you covered or in the case of solo content, the server healclick.

Hon, we didn't used to have a regen buff in solo content. This made certain solo content, even job specific quests, extremely challenging on certain jobs. It's really not that different from the fact that while Titan-Egi was pretty much always shit, the removal of Titan-Egi as an actual tank pet had people legitimately worried about how one would do quite a few of the solo duties in both the summoner job quests and MSQ as Summoner.

You're also ignoring the fact that more than half the general population of the game *are* in fact bad players (which is fine, they have a right to enjoy the game, too), and if there's any content that it's reasonable to give them an extra boost on, it's *solo* content that's intended for *everyone* to enjoy.

[JowyAtreides]

Hon, we didn't used to have a regen buff in solo content. This made certain solo content, even job specific quests, extremely challenging on certain jobs. It's really not that different from the fact that while Titan-Egi was pretty much always shit, the removal of Titan-Egi as an actual tank pet had people legitimately worried about how one would do quite a few of the solo duties in both the summoner job quests and MSQ as Summoner.

You're also ignoring the fact that more than half the general population of the game *are* in fact bad players (which is fine, they have a right to enjoy the game, too), and if there's any content that it's reasonable to give them an extra boost on, it's *solo* content that's intended for *everyone* to enjoy.

Wasn't Drain and the solo content regen buff both introduced in Stormblood?

As it was, it was a rubbish skill that either needed changing, or removing.

I wouldn't have been adverse to it becoming more useful or impactful, but we'd then enter the territory of BLM's being far too universally overpowered. We already do a significant amount more dps than other classes, we already have the best shield in the game, we already have the best situational mobility skill (aetherial manipulation on a 10 second cd) and we already have one of the best downtime management mechanics (umbral soul).

To now want a sustain in the form of heals is a little greedy if you ask me.

[YanderePrincess]

Wasn't Drain and the solo content regen buff both introduced in Stormblood?

I honestly can't remember, exactly, but I don't think the regen buff was introduced until later on in Stormblood?