ShB relic?

[CazzT]

It's fairly apparent by your tone and use of words that you didn't like it. Disregarding that, however, many people did enjoy it and it helped to create micro communities within it. For many, it created fond memories. Unless you have hard numbers to show me that it was a failure, I'm going to have a hard time believing you.

Side note: I wouldn't mind Eureka again. Anemos, Pyros, and Hydatos were fun! Pagos was meh.

Ah, I see. You're one of those that thinks "since some people enjoyed it, that means most people did" while also saying "you claim most people didn't, but without proof, you're a liar". Gotta love not holding yourself to the same level of scrutiny.

By the way, micro communities form even in content that is overwhelmingly disliked. That's not a proof of success. But hey, you believe what you want. The vocal dislike of it on the forums, in the game, on social media... all that must be just an illusion, huh? That's either not evidence or it's time to move the goal post and say it's not enough evidence.

As for my tone, I express dislike for claiming something is a success when you're funnel-forcing players into it. I did some of Eureka. I didn't like nor dislike it. I do not like, however, how they claimed it was a success when the majority of the feedback across multiple sources was negative.

Will the ShB relic be done the same way? I hope not. I hope it isn't like Diadem, either. I would prefer they do something different and new.

I wouldn't mind another thing like Eureka if they improve on the design on the thing...


The idea behind Eureka itself wasn't bad, just horrible execution.

Maybe if it had less getting one shotted trying to get anywhere while not max level and less focus on FATEs for pretty much everything...

This was my biggest gripe about Eureka.

[Alucard135]

Ah, I see. You're one of those that thinks "since some people enjoyed it, that means most people did" while also saying "you claim most people didn't, but without proof, you're a liar". Gotta love not holding yourself to the same level of scrutiny.

By the way, micro communities form even in content that is overwhelmingly disliked. That's not a proof of success. But hey, you believe what you want. The vocal dislike of it on the forums, in the game, on social media... all that must be just an illusion, huh? That's either not evidence or it's time to move the goal post and say it's not enough evidence.

As for my tone, I express dislike for claiming something is a success when you're funnel-forcing players into it. I did some of Eureka. I didn't like nor dislike it. I do not like, however, how they claimed it was a success when the majority of the feedback across multiple sources was negative.

Will the ShB relic be done the same way? I hope not. I hope it isn't like Diadem, either. I would prefer they do something different and new.

This was my biggest gripe about Eureka.

It depends on how you define success. If by success you mean the majority of players liked it (e.g. 50% or more of those who tried it), then by that definition it's not a success. But if you define success as how many players liked it compared to the previous relic, then it is a success. And that's what the numbers we have show us.

By the first definition, all relic quests were not successful. But by the second, Eureka is more successful than HW and ARR relics.

Did they ever say how the ShB relic will work? Eureka II ? Old method ?

They did say they will try something with Eureka style. But they also mentioned that they were surprised that there are people that liked HW and ARR relic style. So they might consider both as alternatives (I hope) or a hybrid of the two (I hope not. I don't wanna see Atma or farm dungeons again).