ShB relic?

[Alucard135]

Ah, I see. You're one of those that thinks "since some people enjoyed it, that means most people did" while also saying "you claim most people didn't, but without proof, you're a liar". Gotta love not holding yourself to the same level of scrutiny.

By the way, micro communities form even in content that is overwhelmingly disliked. That's not a proof of success. But hey, you believe what you want. The vocal dislike of it on the forums, in the game, on social media... all that must be just an illusion, huh? That's either not evidence or it's time to move the goal post and say it's not enough evidence.

As for my tone, I express dislike for claiming something is a success when you're funnel-forcing players into it. I did some of Eureka. I didn't like nor dislike it. I do not like, however, how they claimed it was a success when the majority of the feedback across multiple sources was negative.

Will the ShB relic be done the same way? I hope not. I hope it isn't like Diadem, either. I would prefer they do something different and new.

This was my biggest gripe about Eureka.

It depends on how you define success. If by success you mean the majority of players liked it (e.g. 50% or more of those who tried it), then by that definition it's not a success. But if you define success as how many players liked it compared to the previous relic, then it is a success. And that's what the numbers we have show us.

By the first definition, all relic quests were not successful. But by the second, Eureka is more successful than HW and ARR relics.

Did they ever say how the ShB relic will work? Eureka II ? Old method ?

They did say they will try something with Eureka style. But they also mentioned that they were surprised that there are people that liked HW and ARR relic style. So they might consider both as alternatives (I hope) or a hybrid of the two (I hope not. I don't wanna see Atma or farm dungeons again).

[Auryan]

They did say that they were as of 4.5 still thinking of which direction to take it. The developers stated that they preferred the Eureka method and that the old method being boring and unchalleging for them.

I think Diadem is likely tied to the rebuilding of Ishgard content. Or could tie in for both. Who knows?

Personally, I would prefer the Eureka method but can settle for the uninteresting ARR/HW way.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I wouldn't mind another thing like Eureka if they improve on the design on the thing...


The idea behind Eureka itself wasn't bad, just horrible execution.

Maybe if it had less getting one shotted trying to get anywhere while not max level and less focus on FATEs for pretty much everything...

[347SPECTRE]

I honestly think the HW relic line was the least nauseating. Haven't done ARR and Eureka reminded me of the first mmo I played. It was grindy, if not more so than eureka. My main issue with content like that is it feels pointless, if it had a more compelling and involved story, then maybe it wouldn't be as bad. Or at least had dailies to make leveling more tolerable instead of a seemingly pointless grind.

[Kyomagi]

Eureka would be ok if it was only a small part of the overall grind. If it revolves around Eureka 100% again, i'll just farm Primal EX/Tombstone weapons instead.

I'd rather go back to old school relic grinding and farm Garuda HM for lights 2000 times than 100% Eureka

[Doozer]

I did ARR and HW relics and I'd much prefer those. I could at least play using normal means (unsynced or duty finder) to do things I needed to do. From what I know about Eureka, I'm glad I never wanted anything that required it.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Ah, I see. You're one of those that thinks "since some people enjoyed it, that means most people did" while also saying "you claim most people didn't, but without proof, you're a liar". Gotta love not holding yourself to the same level of scrutiny.

By the way, micro communities form even in content that is overwhelmingly disliked. That's not a proof of success. But hey, you believe what you want. The vocal dislike of it on the forums, in the game, on social media... all that must be just an illusion, huh? That's either not evidence or it's time to move the goal post and say it's not enough evidence.

As for my tone, I express dislike for claiming something is a success when you're funnel-forcing players into it. I did some of Eureka. I didn't like nor dislike it. I do not like, however, how they claimed it was a success when the majority of the feedback across multiple sources was negative.

Will the ShB relic be done the same way? I hope not. I hope it isn't like Diadem, either. I would prefer they do something different and new.

This was my biggest gripe about Eureka.

You made the claim against it, so you are the one that should provide proof. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it wasn't a success. I highly doubt they'd have another planned if it wasn't. They've already stated that they plan to do more eureka like content in the future. Your argument is invalid.