Thread: 5.0 Machinist Launch Feedback

Personally enjoying new MCH a lot, only thing I really don’t like as others have said is hypercharge. The window of error is so small (like 0.5 seconds) and even if you have ricochet and gauss round 100% on cooldown before you pop hypercharge (not likely) you need to use both at least once to prevent wasting recast.

I think if at least one of ricochet or gauss barrel had a 3rd charge it would alleviate this issue or even if they just made hypercharge last 9 seconds instead to add a little bit of leeway.

Other than that, AoE feels a bit bland. The difference in power between spread shot, auto-crossbow and flamethrower is so minimal they might as well not have bothered.

Rook auto-turret, wildfire and to an extent barrel stabiliser all feel kind of tacked on. As much as I didn’t like Stormblood MCH, everything felt like it fit together, but now these moves don’t really feel like they flow with the meat of the rotation anymore.

MCH feels a lot more like a pure dps than a support, which I’m ok with, I just worry about our raid utility when all we have is tactician which both BRD and DNC bring a version of while offering other utility on top. While we don’t even have dismantle anymore.

Originally Posted by Sentinillia

I urge you to open your spellbook and have a look at the level 74 trait. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

I’m still only at 71, I’ve never really liked their whole “fix it with the level cap rise” mentality, it leaves the jobs still in a sorry state in older content. And while yes you don’t do older content that much and it’s usually trivialised by our increased ilvl, it still leaves them feeling less fun to play in old content when they’re constantly trying to encourage people to keep old content alive...

I can agree its gone from a "burst" class to a "sustain" class, & a near spamy one at that, I mean I only just yesterday started to get my mind around what is needed/required to do & spent a fair time smashing my brain against built-up Muscle Memory from MCH's very release in HW (rotation-wise it didn't change much from 3.0-4.0 just got a new gimick that was clunky to use right) & I feal its become something I might have to shelve like I did PLD a few months back, shelved PLD cause I was done being a Tank not cause I couldn't use it. Drill/AA really should have been eather a 2nd rotation at less pontency or an oGCD cause atm their really hard to remember due to how they act when rdy (as OP pointed out).

at lest SAM's core rotation mostly survived so I'm just probably gona change to that when I shelve MCH after a few more tries, honestly wish I wasn't as I loved MCH since 3.0 but I'm not gona force myself to play a class thats so radically different then before & feals off-putting to play

I'd really like them to remove Flamethrower and just push up the potency of "Bioblaster" to 100/120.

This would allow Bioblaster in all of his ticks to exceed the damage of an default Drill, without Reassemble, and may result in some little rotation changes as you can now cast Bioblaster instead of Drill (same cooldown timer) whenever Reassemble is not active and/or use Anchor with Reassemble as they share the same potency.

And it would help with overall AoE DPS.

New Machinist is Best Machinist

- Fast gameplay, OGCDs. 1.5Sec GCD.
- Both rapid Hits and Big hits. Offering a Engaging Fast paced experience, while having times of Massive damage numbers.

i know its getting critism and thats fine, Classes arent built with 100% of the playerbase in mind, "Playable uptoo 200MS" is the game itself, not saying the game will be Perfect. OGCDs are possibly the Best part of this Games combat, and Realistically trying classes that dont have them, I cant even see why the hell someone would use it, it feels Slow, Sloggy, Locked down and Without Options. Imho the Ranged physical Role is possibly At the best state its been Ever

- Machinist, highest APM, With OGCDs, Super fast Moments and more.

- Dancer Slower APM outside Burst windows which are OGCD heavy

- Bard Slowest APM. Hard hits Without as many OGCDs.

It litterally caters to everyone and tbh They couldnt of gotten it better with each of these options, Some will complain sure, but its Normal, No one stays with the same main throughout expansions because classes take these sorts of revamps which will cause people to change, thats why your character can be every class, To Prevent that becoming a issue to the playerbase.

I Cant speak for top 99 percentile Fight DPS Differences, but i can say they've basically perfected Each Job within these roles.

Ranged physical are ment to Fast gameplay, thats the concept behind Always being able to shoot, having 0 Downtime and no movement restrictions, the class spells out to attract players Like me that want Something to push me to the Edge of how quickly i can really move my fingers, Its come with a cost of problems in higher Ping, sure. but Imho ripping out a Playstyle from the game entirely is more damaging to the game itself then it is to simply have things people question if they should use due to their Personal Circumstance.

One Actively Denies Players a Option Entirely, offering no compensation.

the other Leaves out Some of the playerbase but leaves 13 other Options for them to choose from.

Ripping it down to a Heavy hit Slower APM Class would make it once again a Lesser Bard Clone. The OGCD and Speedy gameplay of the machinist Is Actually giving us a real difference between the two Jobs.

the only Gripes i could pull for the class is:

Flamethrower, It feels almost useless now, With no reason to really use it, Imho Apply a DoT to it so it has AoE Purpose, Or let it leave patchs of fire on the floor to burn targets for a Duration.

outside of that, every ability feels fantastic.

although i do question one thing, lots of people are now refering to it as "boring and repeatitive".. you are aware u just played MCH at its MOST "boring and repeatitive" last expansion right.. it litterally had a Static Rotation which centered around 10secs of Play every minute. Its Now actually got Choice, Options and Different things to work with, its Waaay more dynamic in use now then it was. IMHO i get the latency arguments.. but they werent Friendly to high ping players in SB Either, so realistically it hasnt really changed.

Playstyles shouldnt Just be outright removed, the other two ranged physical offer Much more ping friendly options and completely different playstyles. we shouldnt be working to Reduce the Options Roles can offer.. Rather encouraging More diversity and Options given to the playerbase.. yes its frustrating. but thats how Class Reworks go. it will cause people to leave it and Others to pick the job up. But i can say now... theres ALOT More Machinists now then there was in SB.. by a LARGE margin.