New PLD since SHB release

[BoazJochin]

I have to admit, I am impressed with the new PLD build. I used to only use PLD for single target and would use my war for multiple target dungeons or. with the new build I won't have to do that any more since we can attack multiple targets at once where we would only have flash before.

I am noticing that the healers are having issues keeping up heals and as a PLD I am having to assist the healers In healing the party. I have no problem holding hate at all.

what is your take on the new PLD rotations?

[Phileas]

Paladin feels complete. Shelltron feels good, full aoe magic and physical rotation and easy to recover mp.insta cast spells feel so good. Overall it’s a ton of fun in dungeons and is my new main after being war since 3.0

Welcome back paladin son. Even if it might not be as hig damage as war I just love the feel of cycling between expelling mp and recovering mp while using shelltron and cds for mitigation. Atonement is a wonderful addition to the fight or flight rotation and everything works in harmony at 78. Confiteor will be the icing on this cake.

[TheForce]

I have to admit, I am impressed with the new PLD build. I used to only use PLD for single target and would use my war for multiple target dungeons or. with the new build I won't have to do that any more since we can attack multiple targets at once where we would only have flash before.

I am noticing that the healers are having issues keeping up heals and as a PLD I am having to assist the healers In healing the party. I have no problem holding hate at all.

what is your take on the new PLD rotations?

Former DRK main here, pulled a Cecil after seeing how Square Enix butchered my class. But yes, PLD is the sh*t lol.

I'm absolutely loving it, like another poster said, it feels COMPLETE. Very much so. Also, Holy Circle's animation is absolutely beautiful. I'm not stuck spamming one combo over and over like I had to do on DRK either; I feel like I have some freedom in how I play. Can't wait to hit 80, at 73 right now!

[CorbinDallas]

Has anyone else been experiencing an issue with Requiescat where you use it but don't get the buff? There's been a couple of trash pulls when I'll hit Requi to start my Holy Circle x4 > Confiteor, only for me to start hard casting Holy Circle. Could it be lag?

[Ivellior]

Has anyone else been experiencing an issue with Requiescat where you use it but don't get the buff? There's been a couple of trash pulls when I'll hit Requi to start my Holy Circle x4 > Confiteor, only for me to start hard casting Holy Circle. Could it be lag?

I think you mana needs above 80% or something like that. If it isn't you don't get the buff if I recall correctly.

[Jimmymagic]

I am really enjoying Pally. Kudos to SE as I main Pally, and seems right fit for all the changes to other jobs. Also, I actually use heal a lot more now which I like and the rotations are simple. Lots of fun so far.

[Phileas]

Has anyone else been experiencing an issue with Requiescat where you use it but don't get the buff? There's been a couple of trash pulls when I'll hit Requi to start my Holy Circle x4 > Confiteor, only for me to start hard casting Holy Circle. Could it be lag?

Your mana must be above 8000 to get requiescat buff

[Freerider]

I'd say in reference to healers not being able to heal the party is largely due to either inexperienced players, you aren't pulling aggro fast enough, the pulls are too big for the healer, or they just aren't used to healing the bigger hits.
You can also help this a ton by making sure you are rotating cooldowns correctly and stunning hits that you can. Stufff hits a lot harder this expansion and Astro and Sch are having slight issues keeping up. Just do your best to mitigate what you can and make sure if you have party members that can help mitigate stuff like dancer's shield samba that they are using it.

[MaraD_]

making sure you are rotating cooldowns correctly

are we playing the same game?
they took away all the CDs for auto attacks.

if you try to do this, you'll be out of CDs for the next pull.

if anything, pretty much one CD at the start of a pull, and then hope u have another by the 4th pull or so.
The only thing else u can throw up every time its up, is sheltron.
but even then u wont be able to keep up other CDs with sheltron 100% of the time.

The lack of CDs to manage and keep up completely ruined tanking for me.
I like playing defensively, but I cant distinguish being a DPS or a tank.
I dont even need my tank stance on. Ive gone multiple pulls w/o my threat stance up, not even realizing its not on, because base DPS is high enough to hold hate over everyone else.
While I usually tanked in sword oath plenty before, I still had to throw it up in plenty of scenarios in 4man dungeons. Now it feels useless, ive yet to come across a group who can rip hate off a tank with it off. (Granted Ive main tanked in 24man fights with only sword oath, NOT being the 1st puller, not using any threat moves, and still holding hate over 24 other people before as well, but it wasnt the "usual".)

I'm sure more peopel will like new tanking, since its the literal blue DPS. But the lack of a proper defense job in this game, im not as invested. I like defense 1st and foremost.
Lack of CDs on tanks was the last straw.

[Maneesha]

are we playing the same game?
they took away all the CDs for auto attacks.

if you try to do this, you'll be out of CDs for the next pull.

if anything, pretty much one CD at the start of a pull, and then hope u have another by the 4th pull or so.
The only thing else u can throw up every time its up, is sheltron.
but even then u wont be able to keep up other CDs with sheltron 100% of the time.

I didn't tank with pld yet, can you elaborate further what the problem is? I tanked with DRK/WAR and i can see that having sheltron with gauge cost might cause a problem on the 1st pull, since you need to build up the gauge and cant just start with the lowest cd mitigation skills right away.

My theoretical rotation for pld would look like that(Pull 1): Rampart (to get the timer ticking so its ready by the 3rd pull)>(Hallowed Ground)*>Sheltron>(Sheltron)**>keeping 50 gauge for the next pull. Pull 2 : Sheltron>Sentinel>Passage of Arms>downtime***>Sheltron>keeping 50 gauge for next pull. Pull 3: Sheltron>Rampart>Sheltron>Sheltron>downtime>Sheltron>keeping 50 gauge for next pull. Pull 4: ****
*Hallowed is just really good for dungeons and together with GNB (which i also didnt play yet) might be the only tanks that need to incorporate their invuln skills into cd rotation, since it gives immunity to dmg for a period of time.
**May not be needet depending on the hp of the mobs, or there might be a slight downtime before you use it,or you may need 2 sheltrons depending on available gauge and hp of the mobs.
***cant dps during its duration which is bad,can take a downtime or Sheltron, all depending on ressources and cd timer.
****Depending on the dps and speed you kill stuff Sentinel might not be rdy and you will have a few more downtimes, but you repeat "pull 2"

Also Shield Swipe is great tool to mitigate dmg, thou you have to use a GCD which you could have used for more aoe :/
Is this what i theorize about practically doable or complete bu***t and is pld cd rotation that bad?