New PLD since SHB release

[Phileas]

Has anyone else been experiencing an issue with Requiescat where you use it but don't get the buff? There's been a couple of trash pulls when I'll hit Requi to start my Holy Circle x4 > Confiteor, only for me to start hard casting Holy Circle. Could it be lag?

Your mana must be above 8000 to get requiescat buff

[Cabalabob]

Single target it feels like it hasn’t really changed at all, yes they added new buttons but they just replace the old ones, like instead of a royal authority combo you use atonement, instead of a 5th Holy Spirit you use confiteor. I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but I was hoping for something to mix the gameplay up a bit compared to Stormblood and intervene doesn’t really scratch that itch.

AoE feels great, definitely fits the theme set by the single target rotation and makes PLD feel like it’s actually contributing to large trash packs.

I’ll miss all our fluff mitigation, the thing that made PLD fun for me on that front was having so many options to nullify trash damage compared to the other tanks. Now it feels pretty much the same as all the other tanks, compounded by the cover nerf which was something that let PLD handle busters in a unique way.

And of course I’m sad to see shield swipe go, it was always a fun part of PLD trying to find places you could pop a sheltron whether you were MT or OT to try and get that extra damage boost. I really wanted to see more of that in tanking, not less.

Same with the enmity gameplay, I’ll miss that whole dynamic of trying to push out more damage while also keeping hate, I get that they want to lessen the skill gap but it does make tanking in general feel a lot more basic.

[reckless76]

I'm only lvl 74, but so far I'm enjoying the changes over all. It's great that I no longer feel useless in AOE. I miss having shield swipe to weave in once in a while, and I feel bad for my healers what with losing so many defensive CDs, but it's a blast to play. I just got Intervene, so can't wait to give it a try in dungeons.

My only real complaint is switching over to Holy Spirit spam has always felt pretty clunky to me, and it seems with Holy Circle and Atonement they're just doubling down on this. I would think these types of things should be something you weave into your main combo, for the same overall DPS of course, just resulting in a much more active play style. But I guess that's what GunBreaker is..

[Rilo_Kiley]

of course I’m sad to see shield swipe go

me too but Atonement is better and a more reliable source of damage.

[Phileas]

Shield swipe always annoyed me because it would proc when on cd...then when finally off cd the proc drops -.- so it was only used infrequently as i hated having to watch for it.

[Otorinth]

PLD feels great. Finally have some competitive AOE damage. I even end up doing more damage than the DPS jobs in some AOE situations.

Single-Target is still very similar to previous expansions outside of hitting FoF before Riot Blade instead of after, and one "new" button to hit through the Intervene ogcd for damage, while the rest of the new damage abilities are "replacements" for old buttons in the rotation. There is substituting a second RA Combo with Atonement, and replacing the the 5th Holy Spirit in the Magic Rotation with Confiteor. Sheltron feels amazing in packs AND single-target at all levels since it was changed to just "block everything for duration" and the trait only adding to the duration, making it a better Bulwark in every way. Requiescat Trait at 78 is bonkers, too. The entire leveling process from 70-80 is filled with great new additions to the kit every two levels.

[Magnedeus]

This is just me, but whenever i tank a SHB dungeon on my paladin and i have either a SCH or a AST (no not the trust system
healers) they always struggle to keep me alive. I usually pull one group of mobs at a time unless the healer asks me to pull more. But when i get a WHM in my group, i barely take any damage at all.

[Thela]

Only 1 thing to say about the 5.0 PLD so far and that is A+

[Maneesha]

are we playing the same game?
they took away all the CDs for auto attacks.

if you try to do this, you'll be out of CDs for the next pull.

if anything, pretty much one CD at the start of a pull, and then hope u have another by the 4th pull or so.
The only thing else u can throw up every time its up, is sheltron.
but even then u wont be able to keep up other CDs with sheltron 100% of the time.

I didn't tank with pld yet, can you elaborate further what the problem is? I tanked with DRK/WAR and i can see that having sheltron with gauge cost might cause a problem on the 1st pull, since you need to build up the gauge and cant just start with the lowest cd mitigation skills right away.

My theoretical rotation for pld would look like that(Pull 1): Rampart (to get the timer ticking so its ready by the 3rd pull)>(Hallowed Ground)*>Sheltron>(Sheltron)**>keeping 50 gauge for the next pull. Pull 2 : Sheltron>Sentinel>Passage of Arms>downtime***>Sheltron>keeping 50 gauge for next pull. Pull 3: Sheltron>Rampart>Sheltron>Sheltron>downtime>Sheltron>keeping 50 gauge for next pull. Pull 4: ****
*Hallowed is just really good for dungeons and together with GNB (which i also didnt play yet) might be the only tanks that need to incorporate their invuln skills into cd rotation, since it gives immunity to dmg for a period of time.
**May not be needet depending on the hp of the mobs, or there might be a slight downtime before you use it,or you may need 2 sheltrons depending on available gauge and hp of the mobs.
***cant dps during its duration which is bad,can take a downtime or Sheltron, all depending on ressources and cd timer.
****Depending on the dps and speed you kill stuff Sentinel might not be rdy and you will have a few more downtimes, but you repeat "pull 2"

Also Shield Swipe is great tool to mitigate dmg, thou you have to use a GCD which you could have used for more aoe :/
Is this what i theorize about practically doable or complete bu***t and is pld cd rotation that bad?

[Hammerhorn]

I’ve mained PLD since the start and I love everything about these changes!