Request: Could Lucid Dreaming's Enmity Drop be Re-implemented?

[Shurrikhan]

{Provoke} {Please use it}

That works on one target per 40 seconds.

So what your saying is the game punishes you more and you dont like it? Would you like the game to be easier?

While I'd generally agree with your censure here, there is a difference between difficulty and punishment. One doesn't become more okay with the tank dying and a wipe becoming very likely just because rezzing the tank in an AoE fight is then utterly irrelevant in terms of tanking (save for one of n mobs). It's still basically the worst thing that can possibly happen save for healing being both necessary and impossible. Having the tank be an available part of salvaging an AoE fight by more than just his or her added dps isn't the end of the world -- it decreases punishment far, far more than it decreases difficulty.

At present, even with some 20x tank enmity, the loss of enmity-drops and mass-provoke means that they're merely going to be swatting at the remaining enemies while the bash away on the healer, which feels a bit... off.

[Kaylessa]

While I'd generally agree with your censure here, there is a difference between difficulty and punishment. One doesn't become more okay with the tank dying and a wipe becoming very likely just because rezzing the tank in an AoE fight is then utterly irrelevant in terms of tanking (save for one of n mobs). It's still basically the worst thing that can possibly happen save for healing being both necessary and impossible. Having the tank be an available part of salvaging an AoE fight by more than just his or her added dps isn't the end of the world -- it decreases punishment far, far more than it decreases difficulty.

At present, even with some 20x tank enmity, the loss of enmity-drops and mass-provoke means that they're merely going to be swatting at the remaining enemies while the bash away on the healer, which feels a bit... off.

But if the tank(s) died to a trash mob then a mistake happened. Because tanks shouldn't be dying in trash mobs. So why shouldn't there be some consequences for that?

[cougarel]

So what you are saying is the the game is more punishing for lack of player skill? The lack of tanking skills, healer MP management and lack of DPS avoidance?

So what your saying is the game punishes you more and you dont like it? Would you like the game to be easier?

This made me chuckle )))

[Doozer]

since instead of receiving all auto attacks while a tank tries to get aggro back

{Provoke} {Please use it}

[Kirajah]

Theoretically, if the tank dies, it is a wipe anyway. Most bosses one shot healers and dps, so the enmity drop will only save you for about 5 seconds.
Depends on the fight, of course.

[Crystal_Raven]

You could just, do your job and heal the tank so he doesn't die.

[CaptainLagbeard]

With how much Aggro tanks do with their respective skills, the enmity drops are kind of unnecessary... Also as stated by others, Provoke exists.

And if the tank is dying, there's two main causes of that, one is the tank being too undergeared and can't survive tankbusters, the second option is healer being terrible and needs to learn how to heal.

[Enla]

With how much Aggro tanks do with their respective skills, the enmity drops are kind of unnecessary... Also as stated by others, Provoke exists.

And if the tank is dying, there's two main causes of that, one is the tank being too undergeared and can't survive tankbusters, the second option is healer being terrible and needs to learn how to heal.

Or they're standing in bad/had another player run mechanics onto them that got them cleaved. It's not always as simple as 'it's the healer's or their gear's fault' much as we might all wish it was. Having an option to reduce threat, especially attached to a pre-existing skill that causes no button bloat isn't a tall order for those 'oh shit' moments we all know happen from time to time.

[Brill_]

Or they're standing in bad/had another player run mechanics onto them that got them cleaved. It's not always as simple as 'it's the healer's or their gear's fault' much as we might all wish it was. Having an option to reduce threat, especially attached to a pre-existing skill that causes no button bloat isn't a tall order for those 'oh shit' moments we all know happen from time to time.

Agreed. Mistakes happen. Maybe some in this thread are perfect, so they don't need these kinds of skills. The rest of us are mere mortals and mistakes happen. It they don't want it to be a commonly used skill, attached it to something where there is a trade off for dps, then it will only be used when absolutely necessary.

[Mistyregions]

Or they're standing in bad/had another player run mechanics onto them that got them cleaved. It's not always as simple as 'it's the healer's or their gear's fault' much as we might all wish it was. Having an option to reduce threat, especially attached to a pre-existing skill that causes no button bloat isn't a tall order for those 'oh shit' moments we all know happen from time to time.

Reduce threat for what? The problem is the tank shouldn't die, be it the tanks fault or others. After that it's pretty much a wipe anyways so just wipe and learn and do it again.