I used them on the first dungeon on a first run through and had a good time honestly. Granted yes it took a little longer. I did have to agro everything but the Crystal guy was tank and he did good at picking up agro. The dps did eat a couple mechanics but nothing that was ever a danger. I'd put it on a rank of average DF party, just minus the headaches. I'm planning to be using trusts a lot just because it was a no headache run.