RDM thoughts and tuning needed

[Zyneste]

The biggest issue I have with current RDM is how fast it eats mana now. Even when you use Lucid Dreaming on cooldown you still end up losing mp rather than gaining mp. MP costs are absolutely ridiculous right now.

I am going to have to agree with you here. I can't tell you how many times I have OOMed as the new RDM.

All non-Verraise RDM mana costs went up. My guess is that they wanted to make them visually pleasing by all ending in a manageable "00" (like 300, 400, 500.)

The only spell that saw a slight 1% reduction relative to max MP was VerRaise. Every other spell saw a .5% to 1% increase. Scorche is also an additional MP burden compared to before.

I was a bit pampered on old RDM from how easy mana was when things weren't going to hell, but I think right now we're just barely "manageable" as long as we don't see more than 1 death ever 5 minutes.

Our DPS should be pretty high since our raise potential is fairly low.

[Darte]

The biggest issue I have with current RDM is how fast it eats mana now. Even when you use Lucid Dreaming on cooldown you still end up losing mp rather than gaining mp. MP costs are absolutely ridiculous right now.

The change was made to force you to use it on cooldown. Prior to 4.5, if you went OOM, you could hit lucid and fill up your MP no problem, but if you use lucid and then died, you are out of luck until the cooldown came up again. In 5.0, this is more strategic in the sense the lower cooldown will prevent this situation, but will require you to keep using it to keep your mana up. Its an adjustment sure, but as long as you keep it on cooldown, you will never have mp problems (outside of mass raising which already had its own mp problems previously anyway).

[Sayori]

The change was made to force you to use it on cooldown. Prior to 4.5, if you went OOM, you could hit lucid and fill up your MP no problem, but if you use lucid and then died, you are out of luck until the cooldown came up again. In 5.0, this is more strategic in the sense the lower cooldown will prevent this situation, but will require you to keep using it to keep your mana up. Its an adjustment sure, but as long as you keep it on cooldown, you will never have mp problems (outside of mass raising which already had its own mp problems previously anyway).

This is outright wrong, even if you use Lucid Dreaming on cooldown, you still lose mana in the end. The MP costs for RDM spells are way too high at the moment. Try hitting a dummy for a longer time hitting lucid on cooldown, and you will notice your mp will just continue to dwindle till you eventually run out.

[Archwizard]

Does anyone happen to have the numbers on what our MP recovery rate was in SB? I'd like to see some comparisons with our expenditure in ShB.

[Katie_Kitty]

Our DPS should be pretty high since our raise potential is fairly low.

Hah. Now that's a funny joke. Square has shown nothing but contempt for red mage since release and I don't see that changing any time soon unfortunately. Can't have it competing with the golden child black mage after all..

[Leidiriv]

Hah. Now that's a funny joke. Square has shown nothing but contempt for red mage since release and I don't see that changing any time soon unfortunately. Can't have it competing with the golden child black mage after all..

How is giving us the tools to align with the party's buff windows and making our melee combo even stronger, along with giving us tools for movement "showing nothing but contempt for Red Mage"?

[Archwizard]

One thing that has been bothering me with SHB RDM:
When I was doing lower level duties, Verthunder and Veraero still gets replaced by Verflare and Verholy respectively. If Swiftcast CD is ready, I often like to use Swiftcast Verthunder/aero after I use my melee combo, but I can't because those spells got replaced by Verflare/holy, and I still technically didn't "learn" them in those lower level duties.

I'd like Verflare/holy not to replace Verthunder/aero in the lower level duties, unless if it got fixed in the hot patches.

Saw in another thread that it's a known bug.

How is giving us the tools to align with the party's buff windows and making our melee combo even stronger, along with giving us tools for movement "showing nothing but contempt for Red Mage"?

I think they're mostly just betraying their bitterness that RDM's damage potential is on the lower-to-middling side of DPS jobs while BLM is near the peak.

That aside, I do agree with their sentiment that our "fairly low" Raise potential doesn't mean we're any better at DPS, and at present the "tools for movement" received in ShB are lackluster at best.

[M1551NGN0]

One thing that has been bothering me with SHB RDM:
When I was doing lower level duties, Verthunder and Veraero still gets replaced by Verflare and Verholy respectively. If Swiftcast CD is ready, I often like to use Swiftcast Verthunder/aero after I use my melee combo, but I can't because those spells got replaced by Verflare/holy, and I still technically didn't "learn" them in those lower level duties.

I'd like Verflare/holy not to replace Verthunder/aero in the lower level duties, unless if it got fixed in the hot patches.

[PatronasCharm]

I really miss doing Jolt II >> Veraero/thunder >> Impact >> etc.

Why couldn't they just have made it "Impact II" and leave Jolt / Impact the same, by alternating between the two.

Impact > Single Target more powerful Jolt, that grants more Mana and has a 50% to trigger.

Impact II > Second chain to new AoE combo.

I just feel as though it's a bit slower paced? And I don't see Proc's happening as often as they did in SB.

Would it have been so difficult to just do: Scatter (25% chance to become) >> Impact II (Slightly more potent / more mana) >> Just for more variety.

Veraero II >> Scatter >> Verthunder II >> Impact II

Anyways, that's truly what I miss. But eh, I'll still continue to love RDM, but hopefully they'll do some adjustments later on in this new expansion.

[foussi]

I think another fix for the displacement issue would be reducing the movement distance so we don't get yeeted off stages and also don't have to sacrifice the damage the skill gives.

Also I agree alot with the mana issues, they should maybe increase the amount of mana regenerated by lucid dream.