You've done it again with SMN.

[Gallus]

Deleted the Ruin IV egi autoattack trait, buffed both Phoenix and Bahamut, nerfed Ruin's potency.
Phoenix potencies are over the top now, and Bahamut is stronger too because Ifrit's autoattack potency has been lowered to 80, barely reaching half of the potency of Bahamut's wyrmwave.

We are back to the same old thing. Bahamut and Phoenix being the beginning and end of everything. Two 20 second phases where nothing can go wrong, stored or delayed unless you want to see your DPS sink into oblivion. Watch boss go immune or a downtime happenning during those times. Proceed to cry into a corner.

Well no, thank you, I was really looking forward to playing SMN but I'll go RDM. I don't want another clunky mess even if it's flashy.

Why couldn't you just give us a more stable rotation where we'd be rotating Bahamut and Phoenix permanently, and not this 60s garbage Ruin spam downtimes followed by a Bahamut/Phoenix 20s phase that screams to be trolled by mechanics every time.

[Angry_Evil]

Wanted to make a post about how you're overreacting, but then looked at 5.0 rotation a little and it's hard r3 spam mostly... Kinda hard to tell how it'll feel without playing it, but overall yeah feels like bunch of weird choices from SE designers again. They double down on downtimes and ruin spam again and again. Wonder why

[Inosaska]

You guys haven't even played the job yet with the new changes and already making judgmental calls on it. This is what Yoshida is talking about when people haven't even played the new changes yet and are complaining about them. Play the job with the new changes before you can even judge the changes.

[kidalutz]

You guys haven't even played the job yet with the new changes and already making judgmental calls on it. This is what Yoshida is talking about when people haven't even played the new changes yet and are complaining about them. Play the job with the new changes before you can even judge the changes.

Prepare to get complained at alot and have snap judgments made about you and insults hurled this forum is full of people that just KNOW how things are going to be. I've pretty much given up on trying to even get through to them at this point they're gonna keep it up on through the first half of the expac.

[Angry_Evil]

You guys haven't even played the job yet with the new changes and already making judgmental calls on it. This is what Yoshida is talking about when people haven't even played the new changes yet and are complaining about them. Play the job with the new changes before you can even judge the changes.

Pff after a mess that was 4.0 SMN? Can you blame people for being cautious? SMN design was weird for a while. Playing or not won't change 40s downtime window after FBT and before DWT etc.

[ColdGuy]

Am i missing something or are you guys not calculating your times correctly? I only see 2 points of downtime, one between Dreadwyrm and Firebird Trance, of 25 seconds, and the second downtime is after Firebird Trance, of 40 seconds.

That's not so bad, considering you are SUMMONING an incredibly powerful being, so it should feel like it. If you had constant command of both then they might as well just be pets, and that's not what summoned creatures are in FF games.

[Angry_Evil]

Am i missing something or are you guys not calculating your times correctly? I only see 2 points of downtime, one between Dreadwyrm and Firebird Trance, of 25 seconds, and the second downtime is after Firebird Trance, of 40 seconds.

That's not so bad, considering you are SUMMONING an incredibly powerful being, so it should feel like it. If you had constant command of both then they might as well just be pets, and that's not what summoned creatures are in FF games.

OP is obviously overreacting but yeah you are missing something - context of 4.0 launch and a mess that summoner was back then. It was pretty rough for a while and people don't want a repeat of that. ALSO what are you talking about? powerful being? I mean I guess some people probably care about RP aspect of SMN but it's not the concern here at all... Tho tbh if MUH BEING was SE reason for downtime it'd be pretty hilarious

[ColdGuy]

OP is obviously overreacting but yeah you are missing something - context of 4.0 launch and a mess that summoner was back then. It was pretty rough for a while and people don't want a repeat of that. ALSO what are you talking about? powerful being? I mean I guess some people probably care about RP aspect of SMN but it's not the concern here at all... Tho tbh if MUH BEING was SE reason for downtime it'd be pretty hilarious

You what mate? Have you ever played an RPG? Role-playing game? If they didn't care about the thematic, they might a well just make it a bunch of numbered buttons and leave it at that. I think you're missing the entire point of RPGs.

Longer down-times are a side effect of high-damage windows, you can't have high-damage all the time with no maintenance, they want to make the summons feel powerful but there has to be a downside to it, it's called balance. I certainly see their reasoning, but yours is only wanting to change a class into something that suits your person rather than the thematic.

[Nemekh]

It's not going to be a repeat of 4.0, but it's not going to be as smooth sailing as people seem to imagine it may be. You can read my update on akhmorning.com here about the latest batch of changes.

[Angry_Evil]

You what mate? Have you ever played an RPG? Role-playing game? If they didn't care about the thematic, they might a well just make it a bunch of numbered buttons and leave it at that. I think you're missing the entire point of RPGs.

It's like people forgot about 4.0. Really?

Longer down-times are a side effect of high-damage windows, you can't have high-damage all the time with no maintenance, they want to make the summons feel powerful but there has to be a downside to it, it's called balance.

There are much more concerns than just downtime. I dunno why you're so fixated on that. But even then "downtime" would be fine but doing mostly nothing but pressing R3 for 40 seconds is kinda meh. People were complaining about ruin spam literally for years.

I certainly see their reasoning, but yours is only wanting to change a class into something that suits your person rather than the thematic.

I think you need to chill. I literally didn't even propose any changes LOL I'm just cautiously concerned