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  1. #1
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    Wilford111's Avatar
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    Faux Ears
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    Warrior Lv 100

    I should probably enjoy this game while I still can....

    I'll be real with you. I feel so bad for the dev team right now. Here they have crafted (what, in my opinion, is) the best iteration of WHM ever in the game, and people are shitting on it left and right.

    I played this game as WHM for a full 24 hours yesterday and I think what they've done is brilliant. I won't go over a full analysis of it but at level 75 it is very satisfying.

    I just feel sad, because I know it's only a matter of time before it gets changed. The devs are really good about listening to feedback but I worry they'll quickly change what they've been developing for 2 years and it'll hurt the job in the long run.
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    Kuurei's Avatar
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    Diabolos
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I'll be real with you. I feel so bad for the dev team right now. Here they have crafted (what, in my opinion, is) the best iteration of WHM ever in the game, and people are shitting on it left and right.

    I played this game as WHM for a full 24 hours yesterday and I think what they've done is brilliant. I won't go over a full analysis of it but at level 75 it is very satisfying.

    I just feel sad, because I know it's only a matter of time before it gets changed. The devs are really good about listening to feedback but I worry they'll quickly change what they've been developing for 2 years and it'll hurt the job in the long run.
    I worry less about them doing anything directly to WHM, to be perfectly honest. Aside from feedback, they also look at the data on their side before changes are made. So it's not like a bunch of players can go "Omg, WHM's healing numbers while dpsing are amazing while SCH and AST can't even keep up in either department!" unless there's data on their end that backs this up.

    That said, I am wondering about how they can affect us indirectly. SCH and AST seem to be having a hard time in general, despite Yoshi stating that he wanted all three healers to remain viable. In 8 man content where we have 2 heals per a group, a good dynamic would be a WHM + one of the other two for either more dps (SCH) or more raid support (AST). If they try to equalize that so that SCH + AST is a good comp, a good number of people would probably get pissy.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Who's really moaning about WHM though? Of the 3 jobs it's clearly come out the best at least as far as early progression goes.

    Don't get me wrong, I miss Aero III but and if I had a genuine gripe, taking DS/Largesse from us and repackaging it as our 80 ability is a bit tightfisted.

    I'll agree that it should be the best iteration of WHM yet, however there's definite room for improvement which hopefully will come down the line.
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    Ilyrian Silvermoon
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    They've given us sexy upgrades to our dps.
    We still don't have shields or buffs.
    Time will tell.

    I'm happy but not holding my (white) breath.
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    Kuurei's Avatar
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyrian View Post
    They've given us sexy upgrades to our dps.
    We still don't have shields or buffs.
    Time will tell.

    I'm happy but not holding my (white) breath.
    I mean, we have Divine Benison every 90 seconds and our Asylum heals anyone in the area with the equivalence of a 100 potency regen every second now. It's not the best form of shielding, but it's nothing to really scoff at either.

    I'll admit there was one change I was wanting, and that flew out the window with Protect being permanently removed. XD
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    Ilyrian Silvermoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuurei View Post
    Asylum heals anyone in the area with the equivalence of a 100 potency regen every second now. It's not the best form of shielding, but it's nothing to really scoff at either.
    I really don't want to pee on the party because I'm really enjoying the expansion...

    But that, my friend, is a stretch
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuurei View Post
    I worry less about them doing anything directly to WHM, to be perfectly honest. Aside from feedback, they also look at the data on their side before changes are made. So it's not like a bunch of players can go "Omg, WHM's healing numbers while dpsing are amazing while SCH and AST can't even keep up in either department!" unless there's data on their end that backs this up.

    That said, I am wondering about how they can affect us indirectly. SCH and AST seem to be having a hard time in general, despite Yoshi stating that he wanted all three healers to remain viable. In 8 man content where we have 2 heals per a group, a good dynamic would be a WHM + one of the other two for either more dps (SCH) or more raid support (AST). If they try to equalize that so that SCH + AST is a good comp, a good number of people would probably get pissy.
    I think yes everyone that was WHM would get pissy that is exactly what they did in Stormblood so much so that whm the go to healer for progression groups got pushed right into the bench and not even looked at except by the lovers of the job.
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

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    DarkMasamune's Avatar
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    Miss Eclipse
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    Warrior Lv 100
    To be honest, I didn't feel much differences with WHM. My husband's a main WHM and he just said "well, they removed some spells but otherwise it feels the same".

    I am by no mean a hardcore player so I don't care about meta or whatnot, so I can't say for savage stuff and all, but otherwise it's still nice to play.
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    Diabolos
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by kidalutz View Post
    I think yes everyone that was WHM would get pissy that is exactly what they did in Stormblood so much so that whm the go to healer for progression groups got pushed right into the bench and not even looked at except by the lovers of the job.
    Yeah, noticed this when leveling through the content during SB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyrian View Post
    I really don't want to pee on the party because I'm really enjoying the expansion...

    But that, my friend, is a stretch
    It is, I'll admit to that lol. It's still basically a glorified regen that you set near where the tank's tanking or dps are stacking.

    The main thing really is that WHM seems to play the same as it did before, just with greater effectiveness and a few new tricks.
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    Celica Genhu
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 80
    WHM's are fine the way they are now. Aside from a few missing skills, they came out unscathed compared to the other healers. There's still room for improvement for the job itself, but otherwise, it's fine.
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