What have you done?

[T-Owl]

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Are we really talking about normal content here? Like, seriously? What's next, discuss classes on the basis of MSQ scenarios?

If you think you are even a casual tank if you solely focus on using cds, then sorry. You are not. You are below casual. You are basically the guy who brain afks the entire run. For most of the time, you will only need your cds if you are undergeared or pull wall to wall in dungeons and if the boss uses a tankbuster, which is a normally a long cast which you can identify as a tankbuster by guessing or being hit by it one time. And then again, it really depends on what kind of healer you have. If the healer is purely healing, I actually don't give a fuck about mitigating anything and just purely focus on damage, because it doesn't matter how much damage I eat, as long as the healer isn't playing totally afk I can never receive more damage than he could heal me for outside of wall to wall pulls. The only reason you would even want to mitigate your damage and decrease the amount of healing you need to stay alive would be so that the healer can use more of their gcds for dps spells. I mean, this is literally the only reason you would mitigate in this kind of content, to creat more dps opportunities for your heal. I'm not even sure if there is any tankbuster in normal mode or alliance raid that can actually kill you. If the healer is not dpsing, there is not a single reason for mitigation because he will use his gcds for heals no matter what and all you do by not mitigating is force the heal to afk less.

I mean, you seriously don't know what you are talking about. Your definition of an expert pro raider is an actual casual player who casually raids extreme trials or even some savage raids. You are talking about content below casual, where the game makes it as hard for you too fail as possible. I mean, fuck, this is like if in WoW a LFR Raider would tell a normal raider that he is some elitist elite pro player. This is just delusional to lift yourself to a higher level than you actually play in.

I am a totally casual player. And I never had any problems with tanking in DPS Stance, trying to pull off my rotation and increase my damage and at the same time mitigating damage and avoiding aoes. And I did it, because I knew that without this kind of support, the dps in my groups would have a quite harder time to beat the enrage timer, this is why tanks and healers always should look for optimizing their dps.

I mean, in the words of another series: You should get good. You are the guy who is carried accross the finish lines and then leeched gear from people who actually gave a shit and maybe could have needed it more than you for doing their job as good as they can.

[MerlinCross]

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I mean, you're the one that seemed to base your argument on causal at first so I don't see why I couldn't? I'm confused here, what is causal content? Myself I count it as anything not Savage or Extreme based at least until gear comes along.

But what you seem to be saying is half the tank kit doesn't seem to actually matter? Or at least didn't matter back then. You're telling me you could get away with not using tank stance or any of the CD's until ONLY a Tankbuster came along? I find that to be rather unlikely or at the very least, possible in a premade group that knows and trusts each other.

I did my job. I held hate, I used CDs, and I pushed to output as much damage as I could. And on the list of "Why are we failing" tank and healer DPS should be near the bottom, with "STOP DYING/MESSING UP" being near the top. Which is something everyone can do regardless of their role.

I'm sorry you don't sound casual. You sound like you're either an elite that believes the game has to be played one way only, or you're just repeating what they say. This is Heavensward accessories all over again.

If you feel confident and safe enough to not use CDs or Tankstances, fine. Go for it. I didn't, either as a Tank or a Healer. And if that makes me below casual fine, whatever, I'll still use my CDs when I think I need to.

Basic run-down of this comes down to simple logic. Blunting raid-wide AOE damage is and was basically meaningless. Dropping grit/going into your DPS stance was a massive DPS increase, and higher DPS = higher clear time. Something dies faster, that's a form of mitigation. This still applies but seeing as tank stances don't exist anymore, eh.

And yet only the forum mathers seem to have problem with it. No one addressed this issue in game. Personally I perfer to play safer considering any number of mechanics can mess you up if you laser focus on DPS too much. At the very least until the fight is learned and practiced.

And yeah it still applies. Too bad DPS can't cry to us about "Not carrying them harder" now. No more crutch for them to blame anymore. That or people will continue to whine about how Tanks aren't doing enough damage STILL.