What have you done?

[Zhamkyong]

Then please point those sources so we can see them. And even if you do, it will no be valid for the same reason: we don't know the number of players in game who like the changes and those who not. Supporting yourself in social media or a fc I cannot talk with to exchange opinions is the same as posting a photo of a snowing winter to claim that the climate change is not a real problem.

[Lyth]

There are only so many ways that you can do a burst dps cooldown. People seem to be also complaining that No Mercy is essentially Fight or Flight. Wildfire is a creative alternative that we're yet to see on a tank, but it's also an example of what happens when you get too creative.

You still have to manage your oGCD usage under Delirium. The setup for the windows in which Blood Weapon, Delirium, and Living Shadow all sync up tend to be pretty interesting from a resource management perspective.

[Kaozurei]

I haven't gotten around to leveling DRK on my account yet, but I was playing with it at a friend's place who has it at 80 already and even though Living Shadow is just a glorified dot I find it pretty fun at level cap. Considering it went from "spam dark arts on these specific skills all the time then use blood weapon for more MP" to actually planning cooldowns and managing MP to have enough for TBN for tankbuster mitigation and to be able to weave in as many edges during delirium for buff windows, I'd say ShB DRK has taken a step in the right direction and I'm pretty excited to level it once I'm done with GNB.

They finally got a burst phase which they sorely lacked back in 4.0 for TA windows (assuming TA remains a thing in optimized raids.). Sure, it could use a bit more tweaking here and there, delirium is just a worse IR and I can understand that upsets some people but the overall gameplay for DRK is fairly different than WAR's, even if they do share one (technically two) similar skills. I mean GNB basically just has a flat out worse Fight of Flight but I haven't seen anyone complain about that and it's still really fun to play.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Pretending like holding aggro was hard pre shadowbringers is getting really annoying. You were not special just because you stance danced, hell your average ok tank was doing that in the end of stormblood. Hitting the extra 3 buttons didnt make you skilled it was just tedious. The aggro changes in shadowbringers raises the floor and doesn't affect the skill ceiling too much. If you want to have every class be viable in all scenarios then every class has to have similiar toolkits, thats just a simple reality. Everyone is ok with classes being different until it's their class that can't compete because it is missing tools the other classes have.

[EpicOverlord85]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

[TheForce]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

Spot on. I agree 100%...man, this whole situation is just a bummer.

Have you tried out PLD yet? It's pretty fun and has now become my new main after what SE did to DRK. I was honestly close to quitting the game too man but giving PLD a shot saved everything.

[Kaozurei]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

I didn't get too far into DRK back in HW, so odds are that most people who say ShB DRK is fun are in the same boat I am and started playing it in 4.0. Back then, DRK was still all about spamming 1-2-3 and add the occasional DA to souleater and CnS (let's face it, nobody used their enmity combo after the very first one at the start of a fight). It felt fast paced but only because of Blood Weapon and constant DA weaving and MP management was a joke with how easy it was to generate. I played DRK for the majority of SB before switching to WAR near the end, DRK just began feeling more tedious than fun to me.

Now in ShB, I actually enjoy it quite a bit more. MP is more difficult to generate so maximizing damage output means possibly sacrificing a TBN cast for an extra edge of shadow within a buff window, building up MP reserves to weave them in alongside Bloodspiller while having basically the strongest DoT in the game in the form of Living Shadow. It's still fairly clunky and it does feel slow both due to the lack of Blood Weapon's haste buff and the fact you're no longer weaving DA every other skill, but there's still complexity and fun to be had in optimizing damage potential without sacrificing too much of their survivability. That's just how it feels for me, in any case.

[RyuDragnier]

I honestly am struggling to even play the game anymore after the DRK and SCH reworks. I keep seeing people talk about how fun DRK is now, but at 76 I’m just not seeing what they are apparently. Spamming 1-2-3 over and over and over again then spamming 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds just isn’t engaging to me. We don’t have to monitor our aggro or MP reserves anymore due to how easy both are now (look I’m not saying it was hard to gain aggro before, but they somehow made it even easier) and our attacking speed has been slowed to crawl, what exactly am I supposed to get excited about? There’s nothing to mange, no reason to think, hell the only reason Dark side falls off occasionally is because I staring spacing out due to our shallow combo. I just want HW DRK back

Back in SB, we did the same thing with DRK. The enmity combo was pretty much used maybe twice a raid fight, and we only spammed the Souleater combo while using Dark Arts (I shudder thinking of that nightmare) constantly. Take DA out of the equation, and we were doing the same thing then as we are now.

[silentwindfr]

Back in SB, we did the same thing with DRK. The enmity combo was pretty much used maybe twice a raid fight, and we only spammed the Souleater combo while using Dark Arts (I shudder thinking of that nightmare) constantly. Take DA out of the equation, and we were doing the same thing then as we are now.

same, the enmity combo of the dark knight for me in SB was only used when my enmity was too low.... generally i was only using the other combo... my mp was never a trouble, actually i was burning soo much mp that i was thinking i was a blm at some point.

i can talk about paladin 80 (because i have it) honestly the paladin feel very good, my only grips is the fact that i end to spam holy spirit and attonement a bit too much....
i do have 2 aoe combo (one with the two melee skill and one with recquisat) and i still try to figure a good way to manage a good solo cycle.

[MoonbemSupreme]

God... this is sounding like WoW players all over again... "What the hell! They changed my class from a super clunky 50 button game to a more manageable 30 button game! Literally unplayable!"