What have you done?

[shao32]

Oh can't edit but I also forgot imho making curing waltzs a 10% buff to healing received party wide is what I'd prefer as to me it'd be more useful that way but that's my opinion. Tons of people love dancer so ant changes ever will probably happen at 6.0 or later

What are you talking about? DNC is a new job that hasn't been played before, unlike DRK which ppl has been enjoying it 4 years now for his esthetics, gameplay and identity has been radically change and simplified, ppl complaint bcs is not like it use to be but better, it's just a brainless ripped job from his identity and gameplay.

If you want to compare this situation the most precise one is the bard drama in HW.

[NealSnow]

What are you talking about? DNC is a new job that hasn't been played before, unlike DRK which ppl has been enjoying it 4 years now for his esthetics, gameplay and identity has been radically change and simplified, ppl complaint bcs is not like it use to be but better, it's just a brainless ripped job from his identity and gameplay.

If you want to compare this situation the most precise one is the bard drama in HW.

My point was I don't like dancer that I feel the movement skill and curing walts are utterly uaeless. Just because it's new doesn't me it can't have issues and those along with the repetitive feel of dancer makes me meh on dancer. But as people hear are demanding drk change when it's not nessicary I pointed out a job that could use some changes. But ultimately I doubt it will and if people like dancer as is that's okay too.

All the doom and gloom people are acting like drk is broken as a class when it isnt. Just because you dislike the changes doesn't mean they are bad, it means you don't like them.

That would be fine if people then didn't act entitled to the job that SE should tailor make drk to everyone's whims.

So to repeat drk is fine rn may only need mp regain tweaks. Dancer has two skills that are borderline useless which imo is a bigger concern vs "I don't like how new drk feels therefore broken stupid class" that people are droining on about.

[shao32]

Here we go again "sigh".

Nobody say DRK is a bad job in terms of performance, nobody, the jobs feels bad (subjective) if you have been playing it for 4 years BCS is not the same anymore, it's a question of gameplay and identity not performance, where you guys get there is a performance problem?

This is the tank forums, DNC have no place here, and his issues can't be compared bcs you don't have a previous version of dancer you can compare at all.

[Cosaint]

"I don't like how things changed" "hur dur homogenization"

Cry me a river, tanks are in the best shape they have ever been, they actually feel fun to play. I finally can stop feeling guilty for wanting to MT or to use raid accessories for extra HP, or for using tank stance.

[Ignimortis]

"I don't like how things changed" "hur dur homogenization"

Cry me a river, tanks are in the best shape they have ever been, they actually feel fun to play. I finally can stop feeling guilty for wanting to MT or to use raid accessories for extra HP, or for using tank stance.

Numbers-wise? Maybe. But DRK right now feels sluggish half the time. I picked up GNB and even at level 60 you feel like you always have something to do outside of 1-2-3 comboing. DRK at 80 has a burst phase where you do all the things at once, and then it's about 40 seconds of snooze/Souleater+TBN/EoS.

[MerlinCross]

"I don't like how things changed" "hur dur homogenization"

Cry me a river, tanks are in the best shape they have ever been, they actually feel fun to play. I finally can stop feeling guilty for wanting to MT or to use raid accessories for extra HP, or for using tank stance.

DRK doesn't.

Why'd you feel guilty about being MT? Heck, if you're DRK you should feel punished for being OT, you want TBN to pop don't you?
I don't see why you should feel bad about using VIT materia, or even chosing not to use STR accessories unless you're one of those that worry about the meta.
Why is using Tank Stance BAD?!?! Even as OT, turning it on would blunt some AoE damage. Unless you're one of those that follow the FFLOGs.

All and all, your complaints seem based around community group think than anything in the game.

[T-Owl]

DRK doesn't.

Why'd you feel guilty about being MT? Heck, if you're DRK you should feel punished for being OT, you want TBN to pop don't you?
I don't see why you should feel bad about using VIT materia, or even chosing not to use STR accessories unless you're one of those that worry about the meta.
Why is using Tank Stance BAD?!?! Even as OT, turning it on would blunt some AoE damage. Unless you're one of those that follow the FFLOGs.

All and all, your complaints seem based around community group think than anything in the game.

I mean, before using tankstance was rather selfish, wasn't it? You could tank perfectly well without it and it just put an extra strain on dps because they have compensate for the damage the tank didn't want to do.

[MerlinCross]

I mean, before using tankstance was rather selfish, wasn't it? You could tank perfectly well without it and it just put an extra strain on dps because they have compensate for the damage the tank didn't want to do.

Using our Mechanic/stance is selfish? I could say the reverse and say not using it put extra strain on Healers cause they have to compensate for the extra damage the tanks are taking.

You could tank without it but why would you want to? Unless you want to see how you do on FFlogs which in that case I'd say you're a WAR or a DPS that got lost on class selection.

[Quri]

Using our Mechanic/stance is selfish? I could say the reverse and say not using it put extra strain on Healers cause they have to compensate for the extra damage the tanks are taking.

You could tank without it but why would you want to? Unless you want to see how you do on FFlogs which in that case I'd say you're a WAR or a DPS that got lost on class selection.

But healers where fine with tanks tanking in dps stance. So long as you use cooldowns on tank busters. This coming from an ultra casual player.

[T-Owl]

Using our Mechanic/stance is selfish? I could say the reverse and say not using it put extra strain on Healers cause they have to compensate for the extra damage the tanks are taking.

You could tank without it but why would you want to? Unless you want to see how you do on FFlogs which in that case I'd say you're a WAR or a DPS that got lost on class selection.

Maybe you should not comment on something you don't know anything about, because you have no grasp on how raids worked. Every casual heal from extreme content onwards was easily able to heal the tanks and do dps as well. That was actually required for many dps checks and enrage timers, you know? And the dps loss of tank stance far outweight the potential dps loss of healers had due to increased damage received.

Basic healer and tank dps was necessary for many encounters with enrage timers and actually trying to optimize your damage acted as a hugh relieve for dps, especially in casual groups, where the required damage before enrage by far exceeded what a casual dps could hope to archieve. So yeah, tank stance and pure healing were highly selfish playstyles that put an unnecessary strain on anyone else in the party.

Sorry that you probably have no idea what you are talking about and probably never did any content above msq dungeons, otherwise you would have known. Tanks and Healers doing and optimizing damage is not some FFlogs emeter thing, this is a selfish or lazy players strawman. Doing as much damage as you can do while fulfilling your primary role in a group is an additional support for the entire party, especially for your fellow dps.

I think forcing casual dps to beat the enrage timers in most encounters without the additional support of dps stance tanking and healer dps would have been outright sadistic.