What have you done?

[Reynhart]

It's like saying, "Hey, this cucumber, that broccoli and that green pepper are all green! They're all the same thing!"

It's more like the other side trying to convince us that black pepper is nothing like red pepper...because it's black.

[Kaedan]

It's more like the other side trying to convince us that black pepper is nothing like red pepper...because it's black.

Except that black pepper IS nothing like red pepper....

[Reynhart]

Except that black pepper IS nothing like red pepper....

Sure, how did I miss the obvious difference ?!

[Nedkel]

Sure, how did I miss the obvious difference ?!

You look at them and assume they taste the same, because they look the same, which they are not.

Delirium gives is different to warriors IR. DRK use Delirium to generate MP in order to use other skills, he does not need any preparation to use it. Warrior on the other hand has to get DMG boost from Storms eye, and get infuriate charge to change fell cleave into Inner chaos to do even more damage.
Warriors IR is his cream and butter, DRK delirium is a part of his skill kit, not as important and not as strong.

Just play these both jobs if you dont believe me.

[Nothv13]

Sure, how did I miss the obvious difference ?!

Except that black pepper in the States commonly refers to dried and ground peppercorn which is nothing like red pepper.

[RitzNBitz]

My biggest problem with DRK as I said in another post is if I wanted to play a Warrior I would of played a Warrior. I've hated warrior gameplay from the start of ARR up to SHB, just never felt good or meshed with me.

Now they went ahead and made DRK into a WAR, with slightly different seasoning. Since it feels like 4.0 WAR, and plays like 4.0 WAR, my interest in it is waning to non existent. Abyssal drain was also a hugely fun move during AOE pulls, but it was converted into a boring OGCD. I would of had less complaint if they made DRK 5.0 into something different, even if I didn't like it much at least it would of not been 4.0 WAR. If you LOVE dark knight now, you probably also LOVE warrior.

[ADVSS]

My biggest problem with DRK as I said in another post is if I wanted to play a Warrior I would of played a Warrior. I've hated warrior gameplay from the start of ARR up to SHB, just never felt good or meshed with me.

Now they went ahead and made DRK into a WAR, with slightly different seasoning. Since it feels like 4.0 WAR, and plays like 4.0 WAR, my interest in it is waning to non existent. Abyssal drain was also a hugely fun move during AOE pulls, but it was converted into a boring OGCD. I would of had less complaint if they made DRK 5.0 into something different, even if I didn't like it much at least it would of not been 4.0 WAR. If you LOVE dark knight now, you probably also LOVE warrior.

My sentiments exactly, never liked war since 2.0, but did level it -last- Fundamentally this iteration works, but like many said before, its just a new way to spend mp to keep DS up. Personally I preferred the other way. SB took a chunk from DRK. Delirium used to be a split from the SE combo, we used to be able to proc mp from being hit(nerfed to crap in SB) among many other things, Salted Earth in SB gave more Blood. The problem was with blood you had BS and Quietus(and Delirium). Can you guys guess what new blood spenders we got in this version of DRK? Its ok because we sometimes get a CD that lets us spam those new BloodSpend...oh right. What really changed, was that most of DRK identity in HW got gutted each expansion, to now this, WAR clone with a pet that disappears after 20 secs for 2 min with no way to refresh or speed that cd timer up. No haste, terrible mp regen outside of a gutted BW, and replacing spamming DA with spamming edge/flood between gcd or delirium window. I honestly dont know how much identity left DRK can be gutted now, thats always a positive thing, in a bad way- but good in that next expansion, theyll have to rip some arm off of gnb pal or war to give this drk a new skill. Esp since almost every identical ability of the original DRK got dumped into necessary role actions or new skills (everybody gets plunge now) that it couldnt have an identity anymore. Looks like DRK in HW was created on ideas of "what do the tanks need" and then they made a tank like that, and then ripped all of its parts off to solidify the other 2, DRK needs another rework in 6.0, after the rest of its identity is given to the 3 other tanks.

[Gariored]

My biggest problem with DRK as I said in another post is if I wanted to play a Warrior I would of played a Warrior. I've hated warrior gameplay from the start of ARR up to SHB, just never felt good or meshed with me.

Now they went ahead and made DRK into a WAR, with slightly different seasoning. Since it feels like 4.0 WAR, and plays like 4.0 WAR, my interest in it is waning to non existent. Abyssal drain was also a hugely fun move during AOE pulls, but it was converted into a boring OGCD. I would of had less complaint if they made DRK 5.0 into something different, even if I didn't like it much at least it would of not been 4.0 WAR. If you LOVE dark knight now, you probably also LOVE warrior.

that's the thing I dislike the most, don't get me wrong DRK pre 5.0 was a borderline "gimmick" tank that needed tweaks.... but making DRKs into WAR's more gimmicky, less potent and slightly less useful little brother isn't the way to fix the class

[Guntank81]

They made it easier for tank swapping and it feels and I enjoy using fewer buttons plus I didn't lose my DPS as a paladin.

[Lyth]

Good. I'm looking forward to everyone here maintaining near 100% Darkside uptime, just like everyone used to maintain near 100% Scourge uptime in Heavensward. It's just one button press every 30 seconds or so, right? It's funny, even in Heavensward, the first place to troubleshoot someone's performance on DRK was to look at Scourge. "Oh, ah, about that 40% uptime..."

Never, ever underestimate the ability of the playerbase to mess up a simple mechanic. The devs know this, which is why they've given you a very big timer bar. I suggest that you make it as big as possible. Yes, you.