What is this class design of Dancer?

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It’s very RNG focused but with 50% proc rates it shouldn’t be an issue. You can also get bad luck, and you can also get good luck. So sometimes if you’re really lucky the parse will be through the roof.

Ultimately I think the proc rate is high enough to be reasonably reliable.

[Xieldras]

Dismissing someone's opinion instead of giving out talking points to explain why you enjoy the class is a very easy way to "reply" to someone, but it does not create meaningful discussions. Thread hijacking as well is very poor internet etiquette and shameful behavior.

@ OP, I have not yet played Dancer but maybe I can link my similar experience with another Ranged class : Bard. Bard is very proc-based, as in you killing your Savage dummy depended entirely on your RNG. You hoped to get that sweet Refulgent Arrow, and sometimes RNGesus decided to troll you and give you the Refulgent after you used up your Barrage on Empyrial Arrow. Heck, sometimes during Minuet you could barely fire off one 3-stacked Pitch Perfect, while other times Pitch appeared every 3 seconds. It's RNG, it's a lottery.

Those types of classes are meant to surprise you and make you think on the spot (and also convert you to a RNG worshipper, but that's another story). I find this to be fun. I like being surprised, and I enjoy having to think on the spot if I'll have a Refulgent Arrow ready in the next 13 seconds or if I should just fire off the combo with Empyrial. Heck, it's also fun when everything just lines up perfectly and the procs just keep rolling in.

But I understand it being frustrating as well. It's grating when you fire off the 5th Heavy shot and still not get what you want, or it's frustrating when you have only 1 3-stacked Pitch Perfect to fire off during your entire Minuet window (heck sometimes it's not even a 3 stack, but a 2 stack. I've had that happen a few times). But that's the thing with RNG, it's not consistent. You can get godly amounts of luck for one fight and get nothing you want on the next.

That is my experience with Bard at least, and although it might not completely be Dancer's situation, I hope my experience can provide some insight for the Ranged classes' design.

[Baka_Neko1]

I've been messing around with Dancer hitting a dummy and the whole class feels like a way worse MCH in terms of "50% chance to unlock an ability for execution":

• 2 single-target + 2 AoE abilities are always usable, also you can use Standard Dance on CD
• 4 abilities are of the "50% chance to unlock" kind
• 2 abilities are "50% chance to unlock after using a 50% chance to unlock ability"

How is this class any fun?
Pressing the same 4 buttons over and over, hoping that one of the other 4, any then maybe one of the other 2 will unlock.

congratulations. you just played for a few minutes/looked at the hotbars while lvl60. that's not what it's like when it's actually leveled.

[Millybonk]

congratulations. you just played for a few minutes/looked at the hotbars while lvl60. that's not what it's like when it's actually leveled.

Are you sure, and where's your actual argument?

I just read the traits/future skills: I get Flourish with a 60sec CD to unlock every "50% proc chance" ability, and that's all there is, as the 50% chance stays the same, even at lvl 80.

[Lemuel81]

I've been messing around with Dancer hitting a dummy and the whole class feels like a way worse MCH in terms of "50% chance to unlock an ability for execution":

• 2 single-target + 2 AoE abilities are always usable, also you can use Standard Dance on CD
• 4 abilities are of the "50% chance to unlock" kind
• 2 abilities are "50% chance to unlock after using a 50% chance to unlock ability"

How is this class any fun?
Pressing the same 4 buttons over and over, hoping that one of the other 4, any then maybe one of the other 2 will unlock.

There is (IMO) a good proc rate system (bard), and bad ones like this.

[SturmChurro]

You would be surprised, in practice stuff procs quite often, and you are constantly doing something with the edition of flourish.

[Millybonk]

You would be surprised, in practice stuff procs quite often, and you are constantly doing something with the edition of flourish.

Getting DNC to 63 I had plenty of situations where I just pressed 1 2 for Cascade and Fountain over and over, and nothing proc'd, or 3 4 Windmill and Bladeshower.
Then there are times where odds are in my favor and I proc abilities left and right.

It is fun when everything becomes available, but up until that point it's utterly boring being reduced to smash 2 2-button rotations, hoping that you can actually play the class, as the majority of your actual abilities and rotation is locked behind a 50% chance.

[SturmChurro]

Getting DNC to 63 I had plenty of situations where I just pressed 1 2 for Cascade and Fountain over and over, and nothing proc'd, or 3 4 Windmill and Bladeshower.
Then there are times where odds are in my favor and I proc abilities left and right.

It is fun when everything becomes available, but up until that point it's utterly boring being reduced to smash 2 2-button rotations, hoping that you can actually play the class, as the majority of your actual abilities and rotation is locked behind a 50% chance.

It is not that simple dancer utilizes all of it's abilities to do damage. Standard finish does damage, and technical finish does massive damage while also increasing party members damage. Utilizing Devilment combined with Flourish gives you some high burst, and at that point I am finding myself with too many abilities to fire off at any given time. Timing flows very well with the class. It probably has, as far as I can tell, some of the best aoe - if not the best - aoe overall in the game.

You can increase your dance partners damage even higher, especially if you have a buddy who you know can utilize damage at the right time - to use their burst when you get your technical finish combined with your devilment. While also utilizing some surprisingly potent group healing as long as you are stacked with you and your partner - plus shield samba.

[Nedkel]

My guess OP should avoid lotteries at all cost, thats what i think. xD

[ScarboroughFairy]

How is this class any fun?

Well, "fun" is subjective. As some other users pointed, if you're not having any fun, then it isn't for you. This does not necessarily mean there's anything inherently wrong with the class. It just means it doesn't fit your playstyle. Play a different Job.