What is this class design of Dancer?

[Millybonk]

I've been messing around with Dancer hitting a dummy and the whole class feels like a way worse MCH in terms of "50% chance to unlock an ability for execution":

• 2 single-target + 2 AoE abilities are always usable, also you can use Standard Dance on CD
• 4 abilities are of the "50% chance to unlock" kind
• 2 abilities are "50% chance to unlock after using a 50% chance to unlock ability"

How is this class any fun?
Pressing the same 4 buttons over and over, hoping that one of the other 4, any then maybe one of the other 2 will unlock.

[JediFirefly]

No one's making you play it.

I've heard nothing but good things about it all day from everyone I've talked to, it's something I don't think I'd enjoy so I'm not going to play it.

[MsQi]

No one's making you play it.

I've heard nothing but good things about it all day from everyone I've talked to, it's something I don't think I'd enjoy so I'm not going to play it.

So MCH needs to be redesigned, but for dancer it's "no one's making you play it" ? They gut Bard, and to some extent MCH, so that Dancer is more attractive. Blizzard would be proud.

[Hezzlocks]

So MCH needs to be redesigned, but for dancer it's "no one's making you play it" ? They gut Bard, and to some extent MCH, so that Dancer is more attractive. Blizzard would be proud.

The RNG factor was NOT why MCH needed to be redesigned. The RNG was perfectly manageable, and if you did your rotation right, it was a non-issue during Wildfire, which is the most important part of the MCH rotation by far. The reason why they had to redesign MCH is because that ever so important Wildfire rotation was EXTREMELY reliant on getting as many attacks in as possible, weaving oGCDs between every GCD as fast as possible. Unless you had perfect latency, which generally meant living in Japan, you'd find you'd be losing attacks during Wildfire because the usage of oGCDs would clip into the time when you should be using a GCD. As such, your damage would inherently be gimped purely because you weren't living next door to the server.

Current MCH still has a very slight amount of this issue, due to the need of weaving in a Ricochet and Gauss Shot so that you don't cap out on those charges, but it is leagues better than it was before, and not even as important as it was before.

DNC does not have those issues *at all*, so the RNG factor just comes down to whether you enjoy it or not. It's still very easy to perform well with the RNG, and you are not inherently gimped for not living next to the server. As such, it does not need to be redesigned, no. Personally, I find it fun, and the RNG serves well to break up the monotony of performing the same keystrokes over and over again. If you don't enjoy it, then... no one is making you play it. Choose a class you DO enjoy.

And for gods sake, stop bringing up WoW/Blizzard just because a thing you don't like exists.

[MsQi]

The RNG factor was NOT why MCH needed to be redesigned. The RNG was perfectly manageable, and if you did your rotation right, it was a non-issue during Wildfire, which is the most important part of the MCH rotation by far. The reason why they had to redesign MCH is because that ever so important Wildfire rotation was EXTREMELY reliant on getting as many attacks in as possible, weaving oGCDs between every GCD as fast as possible. Unless you had perfect latency, which generally meant living in Japan, you'd find you'd be losing attacks during Wildfire because the usage of oGCDs would clip into the time when you should be using a GCD. As such, your damage would inherently be gimped purely because you weren't living next door to the server.

Current MCH still has a very slight amount of this issue, due to the need of weaving in a Ricochet and Gauss Shot so that you don't cap out on those charges, but it is leagues better than it was before, and not even as important as it was before.

DNC does not have those issues *at all*, so the RNG factor just comes down to whether you enjoy it or not. It's still very easy to perform well with the RNG, and you are not inherently gimped for not living next to the server. As such, it does not need to be redesigned, no. Personally, I find it fun, and the RNG serves well to break up the monotony of performing the same keystrokes over and over again. If you don't enjoy it, then... no one is making you play it. Choose a class you DO enjoy.

And for gods sake, stop bringing up WoW/Blizzard just because a thing you don't like exists.

What a non-response

RNG is what was complained about most.
most of the changes they made had nothing to do with that issue. They could have just changed timings and/or damage and left all the abilities the same. but that has nothing to do with what I said.
NA Data centers are not in Japan.
None of my complaints were about existence.

[WaterShield]

What a non-response

RNG is what was complained about most.
most of the changes they made had nothing to do with that issue. They could have just changed timings and/or damage and left all the abilities the same. but that has nothing to do with what I said.
NA Data centers are not in Japan.
None of my complaints were about existence.

Imagine if you will, a world in which people like different things. Perhaps Dancer isn't the job for you? There are many people (myself included) who enjoy the job.

[Gihwezi]

Yes it's a proc-based job, sure, but that's my niche, that's what I'm good at, and this job plays nowhere near the same way as mch (did, I'm assuming? since old mch is dead and all...). Anyway, Dancer is really fluid, seems like it's something really easy to pick up, and as of right now it hits like a fourteen wheeler truck.

Like JediFirefly said, no one's holding a gun up to your head forcing you to play it. :x

[Millybonk]

Yes it's a proc-based job, sure, but that's my niche, that's what I'm good at, and this job plays nowhere near the same way as mch (did, I'm assuming? since old mch is dead and all...). Anyway, Dancer is really fluid, seems like it's something really easy to pick up, and as of right now it hits like a fourteen wheeler truck.

Like JediFirefly said, no one's holding a gun up to your head forcing you to play it. :x

I'm really curious about upcoming parses of the class, because if you don't hit those 50% proc-chances for the majority of your abilities I reckon your damage output is quite laughable.
The previous MCH iteration also used the 50% proc-chance during your basic rotation to unlock the 2nd and 3rd ability(or rather to massively increase their potency), but now Dancer triples the abilities locked behind a 50% chance.

It is just me, or does both your "No one is forcing you to play it" really mean "Please don't voice your dissent on the forums".

[Gihwezi]

It is just me, or does both your "No one is forcing you to play it" really mean "Please don't voice your dissent on the forums".

No offense, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, no disrespect at all but, man, nobody cares if you don't like Dancer or not, it's not that deep, go take a nap.

[Millybonk]

No offense, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, no disrespect at all but, man, nobody cares if you don't like Dancer or not, it's not that deep, go take a nap.

1. You did respond to my post about the quite lacking Dancer mechanics when you just could've read it and not said anything, which means you indeed do care to some degree
2. You didn't falsify my points and rather claimed that 6 abilities locked behind a 50% chance is a "niche"
3. You're using a language which quite clearly shows you're getting emotional + you really don't want to hear a dissident dissect your beloved Dancer