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    Nelly Arcane
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    A Message For Yoshi-P

    Yoshida-san,

    Tonight, for the first time ever in a Final Fantasy online game, I had absolutely no fun—no fun at all—playing as a White Mage. I don’t understand what your plan was for healers in Shadowbringers, but I’m bitterly disappointed with all the changes that you’ve made for that role. I am now seriously considering cancelling my account (which has been active since version 1.0). I was already disappointed when you decided to remove Stoneskin and nerf Fluid Aura, but I think you completely lost me with the White Mage changes in Shadowbringers. Hopefully, you’ll make some adjustments soon, otherwise, good luck managing queues without healers...

    Thank you,
    Nelly Arcane, WHM main in FFXIV (Gilgamesh)
    Valesken, WHM main in FFXI (Quetzalcoatl)
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    Weird cuz I'm at level 74 in the msq, playing as WHM, and I'm having loads of fun

    I actually really like the lily heal, instacast but also still part of your Global Cooldown. The fights seem designed (so far) to require more healing, though I'm gonna hold off on saying that for sure until we're a few months into the expansion. But yeah so far WHM is looking great.

    It's AST that needs attention. Please let us have seals when we throw cards as soon as the tank pulls. Why this isn't already in the game is beyond me. Haven't tried SCH yet.
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    Yeah, from what I’ve seen so far, WHM looks in a better state than other healers, but still... Boring as heal compared to what it used to be... Just look at the number of abilities that we have now (including Fluid Aura & Repose). Anyway, good for you if you're enjoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valesken View Post
    Yeah, from what I’ve seen so far, WHM looks in a better state than other healers, but still... Boring as heal compared to what it used to be... Just look at the number of abilities that we have now (including Fluid Aura & Repose). Anyway, good for you if you're enjoying.
    I mean what did we really lose? Aero III? You could count Protect, Largesse, and Cleric Stance, but since they either have a long cooldown or literally have a 30min effect timer, it doesn't feel like we're losing much in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I mean what did we really lose? Aero III? You could count Protect, Largesse, and Cleric Stance, but since they either have a long cooldown or literally have a 30min effect timer, it doesn't feel like we're losing much in that regard.
    How about MP? I mean with all the changes they've made they've basically nuked our mana regeneration. Supposedly piety now affects it, but even with fully stacked piety materia on my gear it was a negligible change. It's basically worthless. Not only did they prevent us raising our maximum MP (which, pre-expansion allowed me to spam Cure spells more times than I can currently AND with a substantially large MP refresh by default), but they slashed Lucid Dreaming from 80 to 50 potency and eliminated every external refresh skill.

    Let's be honest here, it's not just about the skills we've lost. We lost a lot.
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    How about MP? I mean with all the changes they've made they've basically nuked our mana regeneration. Supposedly piety now affects it, but even with fully stacked piety materia on my gear it was a negligible change. It's basically worthless. Not only did they prevent us raising our maximum MP (which, pre-expansion allowed me to spam Cure spells more times than I can currently AND with a substantially large MP refresh by default), but they slashed Lucid Dreaming from 80 to 50 potency and eliminated every external refresh skill.

    Let's be honest here, it's not just about the skills we've lost. We lost a lot.
    How are you running out of MP as a White Mage in anything, current or lower leveled? I'm really curious how you're managing this.

    My MP doesn't dip below 20%, even when I'm deliberately overusing it. Between Lucid, Assize, and Thin Air you shouldn't run into too many issues at all.

    SCH and AST on the other hand might be running into MP issues. I really do not know for sure on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    but they slashed Lucid Dreaming from 80 to 50 potency and eliminated every external refresh skill.
    The potency might have decreased but so did the cooldown, 120s to 60secs now means you'll be recovering MP much more often. Not sure on the Piety values yet, but once we know exactly a good number then that could also benefit healer recovery as well.
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    im enjoying summoner so far, its very fun and its have better rotation than Stormblood. the way im feeling he game its like it have minor changes, nothing that make impossible to play with job, to me, the game became better, and i give all reaason to yoshi wen he told to players play the game first, have the experience before any futher changes. All i have seen in forum its complain about something that some didnt gave a time to feel hows game now.

    The game is better!! I feel like many dont get out of confort zone, and try learn skills again. Its not impossible to adapt, and once you learn how it works you will have fun with it.
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    I’m sorry, but with each expansion WHM is loosing some abilities... I don’t see the point, shouldn’t we get more? Just check other jobs’ Hotbars & Rotation. And yeah, I miss Aero III big time, Stoneskin I & II, Protect and Cleric Stance, Eye for an Eye, I’d get Shell and Haste while we’re at it. And Fluid Aura used to be useful too (CC + free DPS since off cooldown). Maybe I got too much buttons on my mouse or I’m used to have no downtime...
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    Last edited by Valesken; 07-01-2019 at 01:57 PM.

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    Zero'tas Dyr-mon
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    Zalera
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    I would understand your disappointment better if you had a problem with anything but White Mage. It plays near identical to how it did before. We did lose Aero 3 but that doesn't change the way we play unlike SCH losing ED for example. Fluid Aura and Stoneskin has been gone for 2 years so I don't know why it's a knock on ShB White Mage.

    Still, old problems with WHM still persist and it's strengths have stayed. If you didn't like SB WHM the current one won't change your mind.
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