So Healing is stressful uhuh yup mhmm!

[Naoki34]

I'm going to call you out on this one, because in my experience that means you either weren't DPSing *at all* or you had some kind of super party that rarely, if ever, took damage.

My WHM recovers approximately 200mp per tick in combat, which basically justifies my initial concerns about the change in max MP and piety. Roughly half a cure or Stone spell. Lucid Dreaming's potency was slashed, meaning it now takes us twice as long to recover the same amount of MP. Assize reduced from 10% mp recovery to 5%, giving us literally 500mp only. In any prolonged battle, we're fighting an uphill struggle to stay in the fight, which means you have to hope your team can deal with threats quickly, or with as little healing needed as possible. I ran the level 71 dungeon and found myself bereft of MP on no less than three different occasions. Granted we were all new players still struggling with boss mechanics, but I've been playing since the 1.0 days, and I can honestly say that MP management has never been as annoying as it is right now.

I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be for Astrologian and Scholar.

If you manage your mana well, you can dps and heal, while finishing full mana or + 80%, in WHM.
On boss like trashmob.

[kidalutz]

Whm is having a way easier time with everything than Astro and Scholar are. Whm needs a nerf a bit to their mana or their costs need to match us. No offense happy you guys are doing well. Sch and astro just feel rough.

No I think AST and SCH can stay at the back of the pack for a few levels. We all know as soon as Progression starts again they'll stupidly buff both and WHM players will get told sorry but AST is too good to keep you in still.

[Yuyuka3]

Whm is having a way easier time with everything than Astro and Scholar are. Whm needs a nerf a bit to their mana or their costs need to match us. No offense happy you guys are doing well. Sch and astro just feel rough.

Okay,sorry, but no. This is the last straw. CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE JUST ACCEPT THAT WHM GOT ONE SINGLE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU JUST THIS ONE TIME???
We got NO real raid utility, a single shield on a 30 seconds cooldown compared to your spamable ones, literally all we have is a bit higher damage we won't be able to keep up in movement-heavy fights and godlike MP management. You are deluding yourself if you believe for just one minute that WHM has a place in hardcore and even many midcore (hi, sheeples) groups for more than progression, and we've seen in the past that even that isn't a given at all. You already took over as the best healer, you are already holding all the advantages in your kits, you literally get them handed to you on a silver platter, and you still dare to demand to be made even more OP compared to us? I'm SO SICK of people literally demanding to have everything the WHM has, and then, when SE caves in to your tantrums, sneer on WHM for being so bad and boring and having nothing that makes them stand out.

So grow up already and accept the ONE. SINGLE. ADVANTAGE. WHM. HAS. OVER. YOU!
It's not that hard, you know. It won't hurt you, because you got all the rest that's important.

[MPNZ]

Okay,sorry, but no. This is the last straw. CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE JUST ACCEPT THAT WHM GOT ONE SINGLE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU JUST THIS ONE TIME???
We got NO real raid utility, a single shield on a 30 seconds cooldown compared to your spamable ones, literally all we have is a bit higher damage we won't be able to keep up in movement-heavy fights and godlike MP management. You are deluding yourself if you believe for just one minute that WHM has a place in hardcore and even many midcore (hi, sheeples) groups for more than progression, and we've seen in the past that even that isn't a given at all. You already took over as the best healer, you are already holding all the advantages in your kits, you literally get them handed to you on a silver platter, and you still dare to demand to be made even more OP compared to us? I'm SO SICK of people literally demanding to have everything the WHM has, and then, when SE caves in to your tantrums, sneer on WHM for being so bad and boring and having nothing that makes them stand out.

So grow up already and accept the ONE. SINGLE. ADVANTAGE. WHM. HAS. OVER. YOU!
It's not that hard, you know. It won't hurt you, because you got all the rest that's important.

Um, everyone wanted WHM to improve on the forums. Everyone wanted WHM to be viable past progression in the forums. And, you are totally projecting. So, cut it out, pls.

[Yuyuka3]

Um, everyone wanted WHM to improve on the forums. Everyone wanted WHM to be viable past progression in the forums. And, you are totally projecting. So, cut it out, pls.

And as soon as we have something, people come crying for it again. Yeah, I see how you want us to improve. Decide already. Do you want WHM to be viable, or do you want to have everything it got with your extras and then want to laugh? Because I see the latter in posts like the one I quoted above. And that's been the case ever since ARR.

"We need AoE heals on par with WHM, we need aggro reduce like WHM, we need a Cure III equivalent like WHM"
Stop crying for everything WHM has and finally demand diversity instead. Stop digging away the ground under our feet and accept equality (not that we actually have that...).

[Alynn]

And as soon as we have something, people come crying for it again. Yeah, I see how you want us to improve. Decide already. Do you want WHM to be viable, or do you want to have everything it got with your extras and then want to laugh? Because I see the latter in posts like the one I quoted above. And that's been the case ever since ARR.

"We need AoE heals on par with WHM, we need aggro reduce like WHM, we need a Cure III equivalent like WHM"
Stop crying for everything WHM has and finally demand diversity instead. Stop digging away the ground under our feet and accept equality (not that we actually have that...).

Nobody is saying that they need/want heals like WHM lmao. Absolutely no one. You don't even have AST leveled enough to even comprehend the issues the class has as of right now lol. I don't think you understand how bad the other two healers have it to where some of us want to stick our heads in ovens because SE just stripped AST/SCH of their core identities + introduced a crap mechanic (Play). I find some of the stuff you say on this thread monkaHmm worthy. Such as; people wanting SCH/AST to be more "op" than WHM (no we just want to be able to play the class without necking ourselves). WHM has always been uncontested, NUMERO UNO, THE BEST, at raw healing. It honestly just sounds like you've got an inferiority complex regarding this whole situation between AST + SCH vs. WHM. If you honestly think that WHM has ever had issues with MP and it was only recently fixed with 5.0, you're part of the population that is overly dependent on Cure III (:

Thanks for coming to my TED talk!

[Truck]

WHM was always a straight forward, reactive healer, and a progression king with strong crowd control in 4 man dungeons. On par with sch and astro and less complex to play.

The only downside to WHM I saw I saw was If I queued 8 man content with it I ran the risk of being paired up with another White Mage thus no party shield. Thats an easy fix on Duty Finder

[fantasticm]

Whm is having a way easier time with everything than Astro and Scholar are. Whm needs a nerf a bit to their mana or their costs need to match us. No offense happy you guys are doing well. Sch and astro just feel rough.

WHM has spent roughly three years (or more, depending on your point of view) in the shitter compared to other healers. During that time, WHM mains across time and space begged for fixes and buffs that would help them at least compete with the other two healers. Now, at the very second WHM appears to have some sort of advantage, even if only one, even if only a minor one, you want it to be nerfed? Instead of buffing the other two? Ludicrous.

And yet, as much as it pains me to say it, SE will likely agree with you.

[Elgeron]

WHM has spent roughly three years (or more, depending on your point of view) in the shitter compared to other healers. During that time, WHM mains across time and space begged for fixes and buffs that would help them at least compete with the other two healers. Now, at the very second WHM appears to have some sort of advantage, even if only one, even if only a minor one, you want it to be nerfed? Instead of buffing the other two? Ludicrous.

And yet, as much as it pains me to say it, SE will likely agree with you.

Agree here. As a player that healed mainly as SCH, I think SE should just give more mechanics to help SCH and AST manage their MP to compensate for their lack of MP preservation, while letting the WHM being the efficient MP user. Also pretty fitting lore wise as WHM take the vast amount of mana from the environment. Design wise is good too, as WHM is considered the more straightforward and simpler healer, and having easier MP management contributes to this design idea, while its difficulty and fun elements lie on other aspects of the job. Nerfing WHM isn't the way really (if anything, I really would love them gaining more utility to make them more competitive in raiding). The big issues is that we have no way to deal with lack of MP in any way. So we either do not play to our maximum capacity and avoid DPSing too much for fear of running out of MP, or literally sit still to conserve MP. We have not enough mechanics that deal with this. If anything, it would be quite nice if we could have more ways to manage our MP besides doing nothing. Literally poping Lucid Dreaming as much as possible, while only using oGCD heals and DPS constantly and either run out of MP or come close to do so.

[Haxaan]

If Celestial Opposition had it's stun again it would help to mitigate some of the "OH SHIT!" feels from big pulls. I have said it a million times, but CO should go back to how it was in SB. The stun was amazing for dungeons and by extending our buffs we could focus on dps/healing and the stun helped save on tank cds. The puny aoe heal we have now is ridiculous, especially for the long cd it has.