DNC Suggestions

[MOZZYSTAR]

In a way, I like how DNC is both a long ranged DPS (single target skills) and also a melee DPS (aoe skills, including curing waltz). When people were speculating DNC as a healer, they speculated it'd be something of a melee healer so I think fluctuation is neat.

I think I agree about Standard Step being ogcd while Technical Step being gcd, but at the same time it being gcd doesn't bother me. I think Saber is decent and don't mind it as a gcd either... When I'm in devilment (for example), I make sure to prioritise saber because it does decent damage.

I think my biggest complaints are (1) the feathers - I'm pretty sure they're melee (?) and they're not that strong, I think I'd like to see them act like one of bard's songs where more feathers = more dps potency when used, but using them as they come as opposed to accumulating them = more chances of procing fan III. (2) Curing waltz aoe is a little too small imo, but I can work with it regardless so it's not that big of a deal (3) I feel like it's lacking something but I can't pin point what. A DoT? Other support skills? Not sure, but I think I could use more skills to weave in.

At the moment, DNC is not the most boring class, but I do find it a little "boring" for level 80 in comparison to when classes were capped at 70. It just feels like there should be "more." Vague, I know. Probably a general issue among the classes, though.

[Makeda]

I like that basic step is on the cooldown. It justifies the massive DPS of finishing steps. If basic step was ocd finishing steps would need a much lower dps, and the window for using basic steps would be much tighter - more issues weaving into mobility.

I also like that all if our standard AoE is only 5 range. This is a hybrid melee job. Get used to being in melee with a ranged retreat option. I love that. It’s why I mained Survival Hunter before leaving WoW, why I used to be a fist weaving monk healer in WoW before that got deleted.

Let this job stay unique. If you want a pure ranged you have BRD, MCH, BLM, and 3 healers... and almost RDM.

This is the inverse of RDM. RDM has a short melee window, DNC has a short ranged window except it’s optional.

Kep it unique, no more homogenization please.

[HyoMinPark]

I also like that all if our standard AoE is only 5 range. This is a hybrid melee job. Get used to being in melee with a ranged retreat option. I love that. It’s why I mained Survival Hunter before leaving WoW, why I used to be a fist weaving monk healer in WoW before that got deleted.

Let this job stay unique. If you want a pure ranged you have BRD, MCH, BLM, and 3 healers... and almost RDM.

This is the inverse of RDM. RDM has a short melee window, DNC has a short ranged window except it’s optional.

Kep it unique, no more homogenization please.

I don’t mind being in melee. But in AOE situations, larger mobs tend to push the smaller ones out of our radius, even if we’re standing the middle of the trash pack—which also makes things slightly harder to see. If they upped it to 6y or 7y, I think that would be fair. You would still have to be up close and personal, but now the fat mobs won’t dominate your AOE radius as much. But this is just my opinion.

[Neela]

I like that basic step is on the cooldown. It justifies the massive DPS of finishing steps.

U mean the massive 397 pot gain?...

With Espirit gain the fastest i have gained Espirit has been with Blm.

Now i've yet to be able to partner with nin,mch and rdm for more than 1 run so i want to do that before final verdict but it certainly feels like certain jobs give more than others.

would be bad if that will turn out right... it would imply another strickt Meta on the horizon : /

[RyoXander]

I am in love with DNC. I have been playing it pretty much non-stop since it's release and have a few suggestions that aren't too out of this world. I feel like Curing Waltz needs either a slight (maybe 50?) potency increase, or a reduced recast. I find it very underwhelming in its current state.

I also feel like the Fan Dances RNG is kinda low and should be increased from 50% to maybe 60%. That way you have a better chance at getting a proc, but it's still nowhere near 100% as to not make it too broken. They could also go another route and decrease the potency of Fan Dances and just make it a 100% proc. I'm not a huge fan (pun intended) of RNG based abilities.

I haven't really tried to compare DNC's DPS with other jobs but I've been more than holding my own so far. Specially if you include the extra damage from sharing buffs with Dance Partner.

I feel like some of our animations, specifically the Finishes need to be changed/toned down because it can be very difficult to see where the enemy is going to strike sometimes. I mean I could reduce or remove battle animations but who wants to do that to their own character? lol

Quick question, what abilities/spells grant us Espirit? It seems so random at the moment lol

[HyoMinPark]

Quick question, what abilities/spells grant us Espirit? It seems so random at the moment lol

I believe that it is any weaponskill or spell—as per the tooltip. The change of Esprit gain is RNG; and, according to the Japanese tooltip, can vary depending on the job you have as your dance partner. I don’t think the DNC theorycrafters have determined what the actual rate is yet.

[RyoXander]

Hmmm Thank you. It does seem like the dance partner has a way better chance at gaining Espirit for us than we do ourselves.

[RhaesDaenys]

Copypasta from another thread post i made.

Was doing Titania EX as the only dancer, buffing our MNK. I was barely pulling 7.3k dps while all the other DPS were easily 10k each, the MNK at 11k. Tanks were pulling off 6.3k.

We need an RNG buff, or a potency buff, and Saber Dance off GCD. Otherwise we will always lag behind competent DPS by 20-30% dps, which is ATROCIOUS and makes Dancer not viable in a raid. Being behind 10% is what I would expect, but not 20-30%.

Also, before anyone says "You're doing it wrong." I'm not and the guys I'm playing with have been playing their classes since ARR. Dancer just isn't raid viable. The heal is laughable, and the RNG is crap. I honestly feel gipped going from MNK to Dancer because I know I could pull off crazier DPS as a monk.

[RyoXander]

I somewhat agree. RNG based abilities are never good. Specially not at 50% lol. They need to be more reliable.

[Raikai]

Copypasta from another thread post i made.

Was doing Titania EX as the only dancer, buffing our MNK. I was barely pulling 7.3k dps while all the other DPS were easily 10k each, the MNK at 11k. Tanks were pulling off 6.3k.

We need an RNG buff, or a potency buff, and Saber Dance off GCD. Otherwise we will always lag behind competent DPS by 20-30% dps, which is ATROCIOUS and makes Dancer not viable in a raid. Being behind 10% is what I would expect, but not 20-30%.

Also, before anyone says "You're doing it wrong." I'm not and the guys I'm playing with have been playing their classes since ARR. Dancer just isn't raid viable. The heal is laughable, and the RNG is crap. I honestly feel gipped going from MNK to Dancer because I know I could pull off crazier DPS as a monk.

Yeah... Looks grim. I wouldn't mind being pulling that kind of dps if the buffed friend did more enough to compensate for it.

Without changing the numbers, I suppose Saber Dance being off gcd and Flourish granting 100% feather procs from the flourished abilities would be a great start.